1 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:06,410 we're here because we don't buy into the 2 00:00:10,129 --> 00:00:08,250 [\h__\h] of mainstream culture we're 3 00:00:11,629 --> 00:00:10,139 tired of the mundane passionless careers 4 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:11,639 we've been shuffled into as a result of 5 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:13,290 this orchestrated death based system of 6 00:00:16,939 --> 00:00:15,330 rule and the stranglehold on education 7 00:00:20,029 --> 00:00:16,949 entertainment by cold soulless 8 00:00:23,359 --> 00:00:20,039 corporations people yes we are 9 00:00:25,070 --> 00:00:23,369 frustrated yes we are tired and we 10 00:00:26,390 --> 00:00:25,080 reject the pre-approved tranquilizers 11 00:00:28,519 --> 00:00:26,400 that are Monday Night Football and a 12 00:00:30,769 --> 00:00:28,529 nice cold Budweiser we have to stop 13 00:00:33,379 --> 00:00:30,779 hiding stop hiding behind the headphone 14 00:00:34,729 --> 00:00:33,389 to the cherry popper 4/20 user name let 15 00:00:37,189 --> 00:00:34,739 the world see that the resistance is 16 00:00:38,180 --> 00:00:37,199 strong and society is changing there was 17 00:00:40,969 --> 00:00:38,190 a time to be anonymous 18 00:00:42,079 --> 00:00:40,979 that time has passed and so the higher 19 00:00:44,299 --> 00:00:42,089 side chats would like to present 20 00:00:45,639 --> 00:00:44,309 conspiracies as the dawning of this new 21 00:00:47,740 --> 00:00:45,649 paradigm in 22 00:00:49,810 --> 00:00:47,750 the revolution because bold fashion 23 00:00:51,930 --> 00:00:49,820 should be more than some celebrity lead 24 00:00:54,490 --> 00:00:51,940 dress or Atlanta sleeping : 25 00:00:55,959 --> 00:00:54,500 conspiracies redefines bold fashions 26 00:00:58,389 --> 00:00:55,969 have the balls to reject socially 27 00:01:02,530 --> 00:00:58,399 uncomfortable and unpopular truths for 28 00:01:04,990 --> 00:01:02,540 new radiant chests all bugging de Caen 29 00:01:07,719 --> 00:01:05,000 securities dotnet let them know that you 30 00:01:12,190 --> 00:01:07,729 know bold designs for trouble times are 31 00:01:14,170 --> 00:01:12,200 truths soft on higher side shatters 32 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:14,180 please while you're listening to the 33 00:01:16,270 --> 00:01:15,770 intro you've heard plenty of times 34 00:01:18,669 --> 00:01:16,280 before 35 00:01:21,460 --> 00:01:18,679 open up another browser go to podcast 36 00:01:23,109 --> 00:01:21,470 Awards calm THD is honored to have been 37 00:01:26,109 --> 00:01:23,119 nominated we're in the general category 38 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:26,119 and you can vote once a day until the 39 00:01:36,510 --> 00:01:28,250 15th if you're hearing this after the 40 00:02:04,649 --> 00:01:41,190 is my doing through the presentation to 41 00:02:08,710 --> 00:02:07,029 hello higher side shatters drinking a 42 00:02:10,839 --> 00:02:08,720 little drink smoking a little smoke from 43 00:02:12,819 --> 00:02:10,849 San Diego I'm Greg Carl would and I hope 44 00:02:14,259 --> 00:02:12,829 you have a campfire handy because today 45 00:02:16,990 --> 00:02:14,269 kids we're going to hear some stories 46 00:02:18,610 --> 00:02:17,000 back in black for the second time on THC 47 00:02:20,410 --> 00:02:18,620 one of my favorite fringe topic 48 00:02:22,839 --> 00:02:20,420 journalists tackling everything under 49 00:02:24,309 --> 00:02:22,849 the paranormal Sun he's been on UFO 50 00:02:26,890 --> 00:02:24,319 Hunters Monster quest 51 00:02:28,660 --> 00:02:26,900 ancient aliens and one-credit I'm a bit 52 00:02:30,699 --> 00:02:28,670 curious about actually countdown with 53 00:02:33,910 --> 00:02:30,709 Keith Olbermann Nick Redfern my man 54 00:02:36,970 --> 00:02:33,920 welcome back how's life by Greg good 55 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:36,980 good thanks I hear things are excellent 56 00:02:41,830 --> 00:02:40,010 um great so let me ask you real quick 57 00:02:46,660 --> 00:02:41,840 what what did land you on countdown with 58 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:46,670 Keith Oberman help text me about four 59 00:02:51,220 --> 00:02:48,290 seven or eight years ago now what 60 00:02:53,740 --> 00:02:51,230 happened was that the US Air Force 61 00:02:56,370 --> 00:02:53,750 release document for the terms of the 62 00:02:59,280 --> 00:02:56,380 Freedom of Information Act which 63 00:03:03,789 --> 00:02:59,290 addressed a project that they'd actually 64 00:03:07,449 --> 00:03:03,799 kick-started to try and determine if the 65 00:03:09,159 --> 00:03:07,459 sort of technology that we see on on 66 00:03:12,129 --> 00:03:09,169 Star Trek you know sort of being the up 67 00:03:14,170 --> 00:03:12,139 Scotty type technology could actually be 68 00:03:15,970 --> 00:03:14,180 considered feasible you know if you 69 00:03:18,190 --> 00:03:15,980 could really teleport people from one 70 00:03:20,199 --> 00:03:18,200 place to another and the Air Force kind 71 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:20,209 of gave it up as a bit of a bad job in 72 00:03:24,069 --> 00:03:22,130 the end but it was interesting that you 73 00:03:26,409 --> 00:03:24,079 know the whole issue of teleportation 74 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:26,419 was something that sort of Q PI their 75 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:29,090 minds for a long time and so they had me 76 00:03:33,849 --> 00:03:31,730 on the show talking about you know this 77 00:03:35,849 --> 00:03:33,859 sort of strange of an fiction project 78 00:03:39,250 --> 00:03:35,859 that the Air Force was involved in 79 00:03:41,770 --> 00:03:39,260 that's kind of cool um well you know 80 00:03:43,030 --> 00:03:41,780 your new book the world's weirdest place 81 00:03:45,219 --> 00:03:43,040 is pretty much the book I've been 82 00:03:47,979 --> 00:03:45,229 wanting my whole life because you write 83 00:03:49,150 --> 00:03:47,989 about places your top 25 hot spots for 84 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:49,160 strangeness 85 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:50,810 and because it's about places you can 86 00:03:55,450 --> 00:03:52,690 include UFOs the Loch Ness monster 87 00:03:59,440 --> 00:03:55,460 demons ghosts and everything else but 88 00:04:01,630 --> 00:03:59,450 how did you pick your top 25 well I 89 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:01,640 guess it was one of the situations where 90 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:03,770 there were certain criteria I was 91 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:06,410 looking for you know what you know so 92 00:04:10,810 --> 00:04:09,170 for example somebody sees a big 14 one 93 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:10,820 particular town and then somebody else 94 00:04:15,490 --> 00:04:13,010 knows the haunted house in another town 95 00:04:17,530 --> 00:04:15,500 I don't necessarily make the place 96 00:04:20,380 --> 00:04:17,540 strange you know it just means as one 97 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:20,390 weird thing took place will happen there 98 00:04:25,270 --> 00:04:23,330 right so what I did was to look at 99 00:04:27,970 --> 00:04:25,280 various places around the world that 100 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:27,980 seemed to be saturated literally in like 101 00:04:34,270 --> 00:04:31,370 a very very broad range of weird stuff 102 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:34,280 so in other words if you had like an old 103 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:37,010 village or isolated town where there 104 00:04:41,590 --> 00:04:40,010 been sightings of UFOs Bigfoot of 105 00:04:45,090 --> 00:04:41,600 werewolves that there was a cult 106 00:04:47,500 --> 00:04:45,100 activity going on paranormal phenomena 107 00:04:50,050 --> 00:04:47,510 portals and window areas and 108 00:04:51,850 --> 00:04:50,060 interdimensional stories and things like 109 00:04:54,970 --> 00:04:51,860 that but they were all situated and 110 00:04:57,280 --> 00:04:54,980 focused on one area then that to me 111 00:04:59,020 --> 00:04:57,290 suggested it was a place that was weird 112 00:05:00,910 --> 00:04:59,030 rather than just the things that were 113 00:05:03,730 --> 00:05:00,920 appearing there so that's what I did was 114 00:05:05,890 --> 00:05:03,740 to sort of pick out 25 places that fell 115 00:05:08,230 --> 00:05:05,900 into that particular category and then 116 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:08,240 and then sort of focused on the best 117 00:05:13,630 --> 00:05:11,450 ones I could find nice um which one of 118 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:13,640 my favorite parts which I had never 119 00:05:18,460 --> 00:05:16,010 heard about in the locations only 350 120 00:05:20,740 --> 00:05:18,470 miles from where I live is the stories 121 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:20,750 of the crazy caverns and death valley 122 00:05:26,110 --> 00:05:24,050 how did those come about well yeah I 123 00:05:29,110 --> 00:05:26,120 guess Valley's an interesting place 124 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:29,120 there's a lot of weirdness attached to 125 00:05:33,940 --> 00:05:32,210 it and certainly one of one of the 126 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:33,950 strangest stories coming out of Death 127 00:05:39,340 --> 00:05:35,930 Valley be the tales of what I call the 128 00:05:41,050 --> 00:05:39,350 sailing stones now you can go to certain 129 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:41,060 parts of Death Valley pretty much any 130 00:05:45,850 --> 00:05:42,890 time of year and you'll see these 131 00:05:48,700 --> 00:05:45,860 massive stones anywhere from sort of 30 132 00:05:51,700 --> 00:05:48,710 pounds to literally like about 107 280 133 00:05:53,620 --> 00:05:51,710 pounds in weight the a sitting skill 134 00:05:55,090 --> 00:05:53,630 like seemingly frozen on the desert 135 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:55,100 floor but they've got this long track 136 00:05:59,830 --> 00:05:57,050 behind them as if they've literally 137 00:06:01,630 --> 00:05:59,840 moved across the desert surface so in 138 00:06:02,710 --> 00:06:01,640 some cases you either go to a couple of 139 00:06:04,660 --> 00:06:02,720 miles 140 00:06:07,090 --> 00:06:04,670 they even appear on occasion I've 141 00:06:09,870 --> 00:06:07,100 actually done like a 180 degree turn and 142 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:09,880 gone back the working both came so an 143 00:06:16,090 --> 00:06:12,770 yeah it is it's very weird now a number 144 00:06:17,890 --> 00:06:16,100 of sort of very down-to-earth scenarios 145 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:17,900 that they put forward that initially at 146 00:06:22,780 --> 00:06:19,970 least do seem to make sense the idea is 147 00:06:25,270 --> 00:06:22,790 that you know Death Valley is a very dry 148 00:06:27,730 --> 00:06:25,280 and hot location so the desert floor is 149 00:06:30,130 --> 00:06:27,740 like solid but sometimes they have these 150 00:06:33,010 --> 00:06:30,140 very out-of-the-blue sudden floods and 151 00:06:35,170 --> 00:06:33,020 downpours and very heavy rain so in 152 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:35,180 other words the desert floor goes from 153 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:38,050 being very hard to very muddy and 154 00:06:43,510 --> 00:06:40,250 because it has these hard surface the 155 00:06:46,180 --> 00:06:43,520 water settles on top of the hard sand 156 00:06:48,370 --> 00:06:46,190 and so the theory is that when like a 157 00:06:51,820 --> 00:06:48,380 very large wind blows through the valley 158 00:06:54,750 --> 00:06:51,830 is it possible that that tremendous wind 159 00:06:57,310 --> 00:06:54,760 and that thin veneer of water actually 160 00:06:59,140 --> 00:06:57,320 is enough of a skim ulis to sort of get 161 00:07:01,030 --> 00:06:59,150 the stones moving kind of like a you 162 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:01,040 know a little bolt on a body of water 163 00:07:05,980 --> 00:07:03,650 surface move and that when the sand 164 00:07:09,159 --> 00:07:05,990 dries up you know the stone comes to a 165 00:07:11,620 --> 00:07:09,169 grinding halt now the only problems with 166 00:07:13,690 --> 00:07:11,630 those theories and number one is the 167 00:07:15,820 --> 00:07:13,700 fact that numerous scientists and 168 00:07:17,530 --> 00:07:15,830 university teams and all sorts of people 169 00:07:21,250 --> 00:07:17,540 have been out there now being together 170 00:07:23,590 --> 00:07:21,260 actually cause the the stones in 171 00:07:26,140 --> 00:07:23,600 movement and that even involves you know 172 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:26,150 sort of late night stop-motion cameras 173 00:07:30,490 --> 00:07:28,130 that are put out you know to film 174 00:07:32,710 --> 00:07:30,500 anything that suddenly moves in both um 175 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:32,720 picked it up and of course the other big 176 00:07:36,790 --> 00:07:34,970 problem is that because some of these 177 00:07:40,060 --> 00:07:36,800 stones literally weigh in the order of 178 00:07:41,500 --> 00:07:40,070 170 hundred eighty pounds a number of 179 00:07:45,070 --> 00:07:41,510 scientists have suggested it's a very 180 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:45,080 dubious scenario to suggest that wind 181 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:47,450 even if it was a thin veneer of water 182 00:07:51,190 --> 00:07:49,370 could actually kick-start stones 183 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:51,200 weighing close on two hundred pound 184 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:53,210 right now it's one thing to suggest they 185 00:07:57,730 --> 00:07:55,490 could keep them moving when the momentum 186 00:07:59,350 --> 00:07:57,740 is going but could they actually start 187 00:08:02,740 --> 00:07:59,360 them moving I mean that that's a very 188 00:08:05,170 --> 00:08:02,750 you know valid question so it you know 189 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:05,180 it's a deep mystery that anyone can go 190 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:07,130 out there and see but you know for more 191 00:08:10,930 --> 00:08:09,050 than a hundred years of people knowing 192 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:10,940 about it now being actually solve the 193 00:08:15,730 --> 00:08:14,450 puzzle yeah and what about these crazy 194 00:08:18,610 --> 00:08:15,740 arm 195 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:18,620 these stories of massive caverns 196 00:08:26,110 --> 00:08:22,610 underneath the Death Valley area and the 197 00:08:28,659 --> 00:08:26,120 weird discoveries there yeah well these 198 00:08:30,610 --> 00:08:28,669 go back to roughly the 1920s and 199 00:08:32,829 --> 00:08:30,620 particularly through the 1930s when a 200 00:08:35,560 --> 00:08:32,839 number of I guess so-called Indiana 201 00:08:38,769 --> 00:08:35,570 Jones type adventurers and explorers 202 00:08:40,510 --> 00:08:38,779 claimed to have discovered or stumbled 203 00:08:41,889 --> 00:08:40,520 upon in some cases whether literally 204 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:41,899 planes have sort of fallen through the 205 00:08:49,420 --> 00:08:46,010 ground these very deep caverns deep 206 00:08:51,610 --> 00:08:49,430 below Death Valley which rather than 207 00:08:53,290 --> 00:08:51,620 being you know just regular normal caves 208 00:08:54,220 --> 00:08:53,300 and caverns that we've all been into at 209 00:08:56,860 --> 00:08:54,230 one time or another 210 00:08:59,130 --> 00:08:56,870 these were reportedly filled with what 211 00:09:01,900 --> 00:08:59,140 appear to be evidence of ancient 212 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:01,910 civilizations in the u.s. that you know 213 00:09:06,670 --> 00:09:04,370 came along far beyond even the Native 214 00:09:09,519 --> 00:09:06,680 American tribes and things like that for 215 00:09:11,410 --> 00:09:09,529 example a number of these explorers and 216 00:09:14,530 --> 00:09:11,420 adventurers talked about coming across 217 00:09:15,870 --> 00:09:14,540 what seemed to be probably closest thing 218 00:09:19,420 --> 00:09:15,880 you could imagine to like a sunken 219 00:09:23,889 --> 00:09:19,430 ancient Roman or Egyptian city you know 220 00:09:25,870 --> 00:09:23,899 sort of ancient treasures sort of 221 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:25,880 pillars and you know sort of Greek type 222 00:09:29,949 --> 00:09:28,370 pillars and buildings some of them of 223 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:29,959 course in like a very ruined State 224 00:09:34,420 --> 00:09:33,050 that's suggesting that you know could 225 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:34,430 there have been an ancient civilization 226 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:36,890 that existed in the United States 227 00:09:41,199 --> 00:09:39,410 possibly even tens and tens of thousand 228 00:09:45,060 --> 00:09:41,209 years ago that vanished without a trace 229 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:45,070 and of these remaining remnants of them 230 00:09:51,190 --> 00:09:47,450 people talked about seeing sort of 231 00:09:53,980 --> 00:09:51,200 mummified figures in regal clothing and 232 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:53,990 things like that the big problem of 233 00:09:57,490 --> 00:09:55,610 course he's not that the people 234 00:10:00,100 --> 00:09:57,500 themselves weren't credible or weren't 235 00:10:01,269 --> 00:10:00,110 named I mean I actually point out in the 236 00:10:03,610 --> 00:10:01,279 book that all the people made these 237 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:03,620 claims need some of their court the 238 00:10:08,500 --> 00:10:05,930 problem is that they were very reticent 239 00:10:11,410 --> 00:10:08,510 to reveal the exact locations in Death 240 00:10:14,260 --> 00:10:11,420 Valley where they'd stumbled upon this 241 00:10:17,260 --> 00:10:14,270 sort of alleged priceless underground 242 00:10:18,430 --> 00:10:17,270 realm if you like and I guess the main 243 00:10:21,460 --> 00:10:18,440 reason was you know they didn't want 244 00:10:23,410 --> 00:10:21,470 anybody else's we beat them to the to 245 00:10:25,060 --> 00:10:23,420 getting the secret out or plundering all 246 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:25,070 the you know the treasures that were 247 00:10:29,260 --> 00:10:27,650 down there but what was interesting is 248 00:10:31,180 --> 00:10:29,270 that these stories and the people 249 00:10:33,820 --> 00:10:31,190 sells kind of literally vanished without 250 00:10:36,250 --> 00:10:33,830 a trace which sort of led to speculation 251 00:10:39,310 --> 00:10:36,260 that maybe they went back there and got 252 00:10:41,560 --> 00:10:39,320 lost inside got trapped died or either 253 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:41,570 some people think you know what if the 254 00:10:44,680 --> 00:10:43,250 survivors of these civilizations are 255 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:44,690 still down there and don't want us to 256 00:10:51,940 --> 00:10:45,050 know 257 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:51,950 you're really lucky so the lot of weird 258 00:10:56,230 --> 00:10:54,770 controversies like that concern in you 259 00:10:59,230 --> 00:10:56,240 know what might be going on not 260 00:11:02,380 --> 00:10:59,240 necessarily just on Death Valley but way 261 00:11:03,970 --> 00:11:02,390 below it as well yeah that is that to me 262 00:11:06,130 --> 00:11:03,980 was the craziest story and whenever I 263 00:11:07,870 --> 00:11:06,140 hear these a new story about like El 264 00:11:09,850 --> 00:11:07,880 Dorado or something I'm like why aren't 265 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:09,860 people searching for this stuff and I 266 00:11:14,050 --> 00:11:11,450 mean this is so close to my house it's 267 00:11:16,180 --> 00:11:14,060 like a trip to Vegas and I mean are 268 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:16,190 there anybody the person who you might 269 00:11:20,410 --> 00:11:18,530 have supposed to find you well I mean 270 00:11:22,030 --> 00:11:20,420 are there any modern expeditions that 271 00:11:24,340 --> 00:11:22,040 you know of I feel like I should check 272 00:11:25,750 --> 00:11:24,350 this out well that's the interesting 273 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:25,760 thing that actually isn't 274 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:28,370 but the biggest irony of all is when 275 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:30,410 press conferences were held in Los 276 00:11:35,050 --> 00:11:32,810 Angeles in the 30s when the people 277 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:35,060 involved we're talking about this they 278 00:11:39,190 --> 00:11:37,250 actually made an offer to love the local 279 00:11:41,500 --> 00:11:39,200 archaeological groups and scientific 280 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:41,510 communities and universities to send 281 00:11:45,070 --> 00:11:43,250 people along and a lot of these 282 00:11:47,650 --> 00:11:45,080 scientists and archaeologists sort of 283 00:11:50,020 --> 00:11:47,660 very fearful of upsetting their own 284 00:11:51,250 --> 00:11:50,030 reputations well I oh no you know we're 285 00:11:53,140 --> 00:11:51,260 not going to get involved in this and 286 00:11:54,790 --> 00:11:53,150 you know end up looking like idiots and 287 00:11:58,480 --> 00:11:54,800 each and every one of them actually 288 00:12:00,280 --> 00:11:58,490 refused the invite to come along so they 289 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:00,290 just didn't want to know so in other 290 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:01,730 words that's been something that's 291 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:04,490 typifies many of these stories that 292 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:06,890 mainstream science and historians 293 00:12:11,530 --> 00:12:09,170 they're far more worried about their 294 00:12:13,900 --> 00:12:11,540 reputations than they are stumbling upon 295 00:12:15,250 --> 00:12:13,910 something fantastic and so that's why 296 00:12:18,690 --> 00:12:15,260 there's been a big stumbling block but 297 00:12:20,950 --> 00:12:18,700 nobody in a position of authority or 298 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:20,960 importance has actually taken the time 299 00:12:26,830 --> 00:12:23,890 to look for these places so yeah maybe 300 00:12:30,790 --> 00:12:26,840 70 80 years later now is it no time to 301 00:12:33,490 --> 00:12:30,800 do it yeah now let me ask you this is 302 00:12:35,140 --> 00:12:33,500 kind of a just a random question but of 303 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:35,150 all the crazy stories you've heard 304 00:12:39,940 --> 00:12:37,370 because I know you've heard a lot uh if 305 00:12:41,590 --> 00:12:39,950 you could finance any expedition just 306 00:12:42,940 --> 00:12:41,600 one for a supposed treasure or 307 00:12:45,250 --> 00:12:42,950 mysterious finding 308 00:12:47,530 --> 00:12:45,260 and you could be the one who has that 309 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:47,540 information what expedition would you 310 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:51,290 fund um that's a good question that I 311 00:12:57,250 --> 00:12:54,890 just thought of that but yeah well you 312 00:12:59,170 --> 00:12:57,260 know I mean I actually think some of 313 00:13:02,230 --> 00:12:59,180 these things like Death Valley in El 314 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:02,240 Dorado and I also talk in the book about 315 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:04,130 similar stories that are applied to 316 00:13:09,310 --> 00:13:06,530 Mount Shasta in California weather 317 00:13:12,210 --> 00:13:09,320 rumors of ancient civilizations like 318 00:13:15,070 --> 00:13:12,220 Lemuria and Atlantis supposedly 319 00:13:17,290 --> 00:13:15,080 surviving relics living again deep in 320 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:17,300 the caverns of Mount Shasta and I think 321 00:13:21,420 --> 00:13:19,490 you know the story about underground 322 00:13:24,190 --> 00:13:21,430 realms and ancient civilizations 323 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:24,200 fascinate people and I think not only 324 00:13:29,410 --> 00:13:27,050 would it be a fantastic discovery from a 325 00:13:32,620 --> 00:13:29,420 you know the perspective of what you 326 00:13:36,550 --> 00:13:32,630 might actually find in terms of you know 327 00:13:39,460 --> 00:13:36,560 sort of the just ancient weaponry 328 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:39,470 clothing treasures that sort of thing 329 00:13:43,540 --> 00:13:41,330 but equally the way in which he would 330 00:13:46,900 --> 00:13:43,550 sort of rewrite our history books as a 331 00:13:48,820 --> 00:13:46,910 species and a civilization and I think 332 00:13:50,560 --> 00:13:48,830 you know and also just for the fact that 333 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:50,570 it would be great adventure you know to 334 00:13:56,230 --> 00:13:54,170 go on one of these tracks so I think for 335 00:13:59,200 --> 00:13:56,240 me something along those lines you know 336 00:14:01,510 --> 00:13:59,210 a literal Indiana Jones track into the 337 00:14:03,730 --> 00:14:01,520 mysteries of the past and you know sort 338 00:14:05,740 --> 00:14:03,740 of climbing mountains and swinging 339 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:05,750 through caverns and you know that sort 340 00:14:10,690 --> 00:14:08,170 of stuff is a cool one to do of course 341 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:10,700 so I believe you actually said you've 342 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:13,490 been to about 15 or so the 25 spots in 343 00:14:19,330 --> 00:14:18,170 the book which yeah I mean well I was 344 00:14:20,950 --> 00:14:19,340 going to ask you which one you thought 345 00:14:22,750 --> 00:14:20,960 was the creepiest or weirdest if 346 00:14:25,900 --> 00:14:22,760 somebody wanted to visit one and maybe 347 00:14:28,150 --> 00:14:25,910 come back with a good story yeah well I 348 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:28,160 think personally I would say it's 349 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:29,930 getting one which is only sort of like a 350 00:14:32,950 --> 00:14:31,730 six or seven hours drive from where I 351 00:14:36,010 --> 00:14:32,960 still live in Britain and that would be 352 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:36,020 Loch Ness Scotland now you know when you 353 00:14:40,030 --> 00:14:37,850 think a lot less everybody thinks the 354 00:14:42,730 --> 00:14:40,040 Loch Ness monster which in itself is 355 00:14:46,150 --> 00:14:42,740 weird enough but what makes loch ness 356 00:14:49,090 --> 00:14:46,160 even stranger is the fact that it's been 357 00:14:51,730 --> 00:14:49,100 the site of numerous sort of paranormal 358 00:14:53,830 --> 00:14:51,740 and supernatural activity that goes far 359 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:53,840 beyond Nessie you know which is 360 00:14:57,070 --> 00:14:55,970 obviously most famous story there but 361 00:14:59,530 --> 00:14:57,080 over the years 362 00:15:01,480 --> 00:14:59,540 have been add just a massive amount of 363 00:15:03,790 --> 00:15:01,490 strangers for example back at the 364 00:15:05,890 --> 00:15:03,800 dawning of the 20th century sort of a 365 00:15:08,140 --> 00:15:05,900 hundred hundred and ten years ago none 366 00:15:10,270 --> 00:15:08,150 other than the famous occultist Aleister 367 00:15:12,130 --> 00:15:10,280 Crowley actually had a house on the 368 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:12,140 shores of Loch Ness called Alaskan house 369 00:15:18,460 --> 00:15:15,170 and he engaged in a number of sort of 370 00:15:20,820 --> 00:15:18,470 ancient occult rites and rituals to try 371 00:15:23,290 --> 00:15:20,830 and conjure up demons from the lock and 372 00:15:25,210 --> 00:15:23,300 bless King House was later owned by 373 00:15:28,930 --> 00:15:25,220 Jimmy Page the guitarist with Led 374 00:15:30,730 --> 00:15:28,940 Zeppelin and even in the 70s Page said 375 00:15:33,850 --> 00:15:30,740 that the house had be sort of weird 376 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:33,860 ominous atmosphere to it but the house 377 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:35,570 itself there's also a deep underground 378 00:15:40,420 --> 00:15:38,210 tunnel which links to a local cemetery 379 00:15:43,150 --> 00:15:40,430 which was and this sort of tunneled out 380 00:15:46,930 --> 00:15:43,160 area was supposedly a safe haven for a 381 00:15:49,390 --> 00:15:46,940 local witch coven on top of that had 382 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:49,400 been a number of UFO sightings over the 383 00:15:55,930 --> 00:15:52,610 Loch been reports of large black panther 384 00:16:00,070 --> 00:15:55,940 type cats roaming around the woods that 385 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:00,080 sits either side of the lock and in 1974 386 00:16:05,290 --> 00:16:03,290 a well-known Loch Ness monster hunter 387 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:05,300 named Ted Holliday who actually came to 388 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:07,090 believe that the Loch Ness monster was 389 00:16:11,290 --> 00:16:09,290 supernatural rather than the 390 00:16:13,660 --> 00:16:11,300 flesh-and-blood animal he claimed to had 391 00:16:16,810 --> 00:16:13,670 a literal encounter with a man in black 392 00:16:18,610 --> 00:16:16,820 on the shores of the Loch you know so 393 00:16:20,410 --> 00:16:18,620 you've got all this extra weird and it's 394 00:16:22,420 --> 00:16:20,420 going on at like this that most people 395 00:16:24,700 --> 00:16:22,430 know absolutely nothing about and 396 00:16:26,620 --> 00:16:24,710 there's also a ghost story from the 397 00:16:29,710 --> 00:16:26,630 second world war when a British military 398 00:16:31,330 --> 00:16:29,720 plane crashed in the Loch and all that 399 00:16:33,610 --> 00:16:31,340 one of the crew managed to survive and 400 00:16:36,850 --> 00:16:33,620 get out but there's reports of this one 401 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:36,860 Croom and where these ghost still haunts 402 00:16:41,590 --> 00:16:39,170 the waters in the beach area of the 403 00:16:42,790 --> 00:16:41,600 block where the plane came down so you 404 00:16:46,270 --> 00:16:42,800 know you've got everything you've got a 405 00:16:50,140 --> 00:16:46,280 lot less monster Aleister Crowley occult 406 00:16:52,180 --> 00:16:50,150 rituals UFO black cats and a man in 407 00:16:53,530 --> 00:16:52,190 black you know oh you're not max so 408 00:16:55,990 --> 00:16:53,540 that's what that's pretty weighted 409 00:16:58,510 --> 00:16:56,000 itself oh yeah Pandora's box of 410 00:17:00,340 --> 00:16:58,520 weirdness yeah you know one of my 411 00:17:02,610 --> 00:17:00,350 favorite places that made the cut in a 412 00:17:05,230 --> 00:17:02,620 very sexy mystery the Bermuda Triangle 413 00:17:07,270 --> 00:17:05,240 obviously a lot of sea and aircrafts 414 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:07,280 have gone missing there but I guess 415 00:17:10,360 --> 00:17:09,290 skeptics would just say well the oceans 416 00:17:12,699 --> 00:17:10,370 [\h__\h] dangerous man 417 00:17:15,910 --> 00:17:12,709 but some vessels have had they've had 418 00:17:19,569 --> 00:17:15,920 even a radio contact before disappearing 419 00:17:20,890 --> 00:17:19,579 right like that flight 19 yeah I mean 420 00:17:22,510 --> 00:17:20,900 this is the thing I mean I actually 421 00:17:24,490 --> 00:17:22,520 would agree with it and I do agree with 422 00:17:26,590 --> 00:17:24,500 this Gettys when they say if you get a 423 00:17:29,020 --> 00:17:26,600 guy on the oceans whether it's in ships 424 00:17:31,390 --> 00:17:29,030 or aircraft if you're not sort of a 425 00:17:35,350 --> 00:17:31,400 skilled navigator people can become 426 00:17:37,630 --> 00:17:35,360 disoriented and confused you know but if 427 00:17:39,730 --> 00:17:37,640 you rely on your instruments and follow 428 00:17:42,610 --> 00:17:39,740 your compass and everything else there 429 00:17:43,930 --> 00:17:42,620 really isn't a problem and so in that 430 00:17:45,790 --> 00:17:43,940 sense you tell me know if you're 431 00:17:50,260 --> 00:17:45,800 stranded out there and you just got no 432 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:50,270 as a technical any tech technology to 433 00:17:52,510 --> 00:17:52,010 fall back on then you can be in big 434 00:17:54,220 --> 00:17:52,520 trouble 435 00:17:56,830 --> 00:17:54,230 but if you also have a skilled navigator 436 00:17:58,750 --> 00:17:56,840 a pilot or a captain of a ship you 437 00:18:01,600 --> 00:17:58,760 should be ok but the problem is that 438 00:18:03,010 --> 00:18:01,610 many people who travel through the 439 00:18:05,590 --> 00:18:03,020 reviewed a triangle whether it's in 440 00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:05,600 ships boats or aircraft and you know 441 00:18:12,850 --> 00:18:08,480 from large to small aircraft they report 442 00:18:14,230 --> 00:18:12,860 things like massive compass malfunction 443 00:18:17,500 --> 00:18:14,240 where the compasses either just stop 444 00:18:19,210 --> 00:18:17,510 working or they just spin wildly so the 445 00:18:21,610 --> 00:18:19,220 people are unable to differentiate 446 00:18:25,810 --> 00:18:21,620 between are they going north east so 447 00:18:28,180 --> 00:18:25,820 West law or rounding circles you know so 448 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:28,190 that's a big problem and a number of 449 00:18:33,070 --> 00:18:30,290 people missing low gets very weird a 450 00:18:34,390 --> 00:18:33,080 reporting feeling mentally disoriented 451 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:34,400 is if they're sort of common-sense 452 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:36,290 factors have gone out the window 453 00:18:41,830 --> 00:18:37,970 and that kind of flies to the most 454 00:18:44,860 --> 00:18:41,840 famous case of flight 19 this an entire 455 00:18:46,419 --> 00:18:44,870 flight of Navy US Navy event Avenger 456 00:18:49,540 --> 00:18:46,429 aircraft that disappeared in the 457 00:18:52,330 --> 00:18:49,550 Triangle in December 1945 this is like a 458 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:52,340 as I said a whole fleet of aircraft and 459 00:18:55,690 --> 00:18:54,170 even one of the search planes that when 460 00:18:58,060 --> 00:18:55,700 looking for them vanished without a 461 00:19:01,570 --> 00:18:58,070 trace as well but what was interesting 462 00:19:03,669 --> 00:19:01,580 is that these this particular unit of 463 00:19:06,750 --> 00:19:03,679 Avenger aircraft they're based out in 464 00:19:10,450 --> 00:19:06,760 Florida so they knew the area very well 465 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:10,460 and so they headed from inflater out 466 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:12,650 into the Atlantic which of course you 467 00:19:19,930 --> 00:19:16,010 know you had east out of the US mainland 468 00:19:22,870 --> 00:19:19,940 and they reported how the sky look weird 469 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:22,880 the small islands that populated that 470 00:19:26,020 --> 00:19:23,810 particular 471 00:19:28,270 --> 00:19:26,030 strange which in themselves strange 472 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:28,280 words and phrases to use and they didn't 473 00:19:31,980 --> 00:19:30,410 actually explain what they meant other 474 00:19:35,620 --> 00:19:31,990 than things didn't look like they should 475 00:19:37,270 --> 00:19:35,630 but what was even stranger was that you 476 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:37,280 know if you had a way into the Atlantic 477 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:40,490 and you had East and into all the sea 478 00:19:43,570 --> 00:19:42,170 into the Atlantic Ocean and your lust 479 00:19:46,270 --> 00:19:43,580 well only God there is looking your 480 00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:46,280 compass and swing round and go west and 481 00:19:50,620 --> 00:19:49,130 in a short time you'll reach land again 482 00:19:53,020 --> 00:19:50,630 you know that everybody you don't have 483 00:19:55,060 --> 00:19:53,030 to be Einstein to know that you know if 484 00:19:56,170 --> 00:19:55,070 you're going easily down like going that 485 00:19:59,230 --> 00:19:56,180 whale you know you've got to go the 486 00:20:00,760 --> 00:19:59,240 opposite way just do a complete 180 they 487 00:20:03,220 --> 00:20:00,770 didn't even think to do that they just 488 00:20:06,220 --> 00:20:03,230 Nixon flew around in circles and then 489 00:20:08,830 --> 00:20:06,230 their radio messages got weaker and 490 00:20:10,270 --> 00:20:08,840 weaker and vanish one by one now people 491 00:20:13,390 --> 00:20:10,280 said well maybe they ditched in the 492 00:20:15,190 --> 00:20:13,400 ocean the problem is that no aircraft 493 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:15,200 decade has ever found their bodies are 494 00:20:19,810 --> 00:20:16,970 found and the readings sort of no 495 00:20:21,550 --> 00:20:19,820 tell-tale oil slick or gasoline slick or 496 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:21,560 anything like that from any of the 497 00:20:25,750 --> 00:20:24,290 aircraft or even the chase plane that 498 00:20:28,090 --> 00:20:25,760 went after them for all intents and 499 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:28,100 purposes they just literally all 500 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:30,890 disappeared so while I do admit that you 501 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:32,330 know you had give up some very careful 502 00:20:36,910 --> 00:20:35,090 when you're in the oceans that case more 503 00:20:38,980 --> 00:20:36,920 than any other is a real sort of 504 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:38,990 standout one in terms of you know 505 00:20:44,050 --> 00:20:42,050 containing all the aspects and of these 506 00:20:46,510 --> 00:20:44,060 sort of classic encounters in the 507 00:20:50,050 --> 00:20:46,520 Bermuda Triangle and do you think it's 508 00:20:52,300 --> 00:20:50,060 like a magnetic anomaly do you think 509 00:20:54,300 --> 00:20:52,310 it's like a doorway of some kind like an 510 00:20:57,250 --> 00:20:54,310 interdimensional portal or something 511 00:20:59,260 --> 00:20:57,260 well you know I kind of are trying to 512 00:21:01,690 --> 00:20:59,270 look at it from both angles really I 513 00:21:03,580 --> 00:21:01,700 mean there are stories where people have 514 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:03,590 talked about flying to the theater child 515 00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:05,330 it's suddenly going through this very 516 00:21:11,050 --> 00:21:08,480 eared and here weird an eerie looking 517 00:21:13,060 --> 00:21:11,060 green fog and when that's when their 518 00:21:16,420 --> 00:21:13,070 equipment starts to malfunction like 519 00:21:18,820 --> 00:21:16,430 compasses and other navigation equipment 520 00:21:21,220 --> 00:21:18,830 and then they come through it and 521 00:21:23,830 --> 00:21:21,230 realize well you know they're just bent 522 00:21:26,590 --> 00:21:23,840 over you to try and survive it but there 523 00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:26,600 are other stories where you know ships 524 00:21:31,390 --> 00:21:29,120 are vanished almost if they're being 525 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:31,400 sucked down or something like that but 526 00:21:35,290 --> 00:21:33,410 one of the things that typifies many of 527 00:21:37,330 --> 00:21:35,300 these cases would be never find wreckage 528 00:21:40,330 --> 00:21:37,340 we never find bodies so that's house key 529 00:21:42,340 --> 00:21:40,340 rise to the idea of so-called portals 530 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:42,350 and window areas which I talk about a 531 00:21:46,869 --> 00:21:44,570 lot in the book for example things today 532 00:21:49,749 --> 00:21:46,879 like quantum physics are allowing for 533 00:21:52,149 --> 00:21:49,759 the existence of extra dimensions or 534 00:21:54,730 --> 00:21:52,159 multi dimensions that might color exist 535 00:21:56,860 --> 00:21:54,740 with ours and perhaps perhaps you know 536 00:21:59,259 --> 00:21:56,870 through deliberate means or possibly 537 00:22:01,600 --> 00:21:59,269 even natural means by science that we 538 00:22:03,879 --> 00:22:01,610 don't understand yet sometimes that's 539 00:22:05,739 --> 00:22:03,889 our realm of reality crosses paths with 540 00:22:07,930 --> 00:22:05,749 other ones and something gets sucked 541 00:22:09,970 --> 00:22:07,940 through and then is not able to get back 542 00:22:12,249 --> 00:22:09,980 again you know and vice versa maybe 543 00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:12,259 sometimes when we see weird creatures 544 00:22:16,450 --> 00:22:14,720 like Bigfoot that are here one minute 545 00:22:18,369 --> 00:22:16,460 and gone the next maybe they're doing 546 00:22:19,389 --> 00:22:18,379 exactly the same thing you know perhaps 547 00:22:24,009 --> 00:22:19,399 they sort of almost like 548 00:22:26,859 --> 00:22:24,019 dimension-hopping yeah it's it's kind of 549 00:22:30,489 --> 00:22:26,869 an anomalous place but it does seem like 550 00:22:33,310 --> 00:22:30,499 one of the hot beds for weirdness I 551 00:22:35,919 --> 00:22:33,320 guess another really good one is North 552 00:22:38,139 --> 00:22:35,929 Wales and the Berwyn Mountains there's a 553 00:22:39,700 --> 00:22:38,149 pretty crazy UFO crash story there I'm 554 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:39,710 surprised that ones now more talked 555 00:22:44,139 --> 00:22:40,970 about it should be more famous in 556 00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:44,149 Roswell well I didn't get the Berlin 557 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:46,960 mounted is this huge a very very ancient 558 00:22:51,970 --> 00:22:49,850 mountain range in North Wales and even 559 00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:51,980 today you know the area itself hasn't 560 00:22:56,529 --> 00:22:54,080 changed much for centuries it kind of I 561 00:22:58,960 --> 00:22:56,539 mean it sort of populated by these sort 562 00:23:01,659 --> 00:22:58,970 of classic little British villages you 563 00:23:03,730 --> 00:23:01,669 know where there's one covered graveyard 564 00:23:06,190 --> 00:23:03,740 and a bunch of cottages and things like 565 00:23:07,659 --> 00:23:06,200 that you know and it's like something 566 00:23:09,669 --> 00:23:07,669 straight a lot of the villages like 567 00:23:11,169 --> 00:23:09,679 something even today straight out of the 568 00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:11,179 Hound of the Baskervilles or something 569 00:23:16,269 --> 00:23:11,769 like that 570 00:23:18,399 --> 00:23:16,279 and so it's a very atmospheric areas of 571 00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:18,409 a steeped in ancient mystery and the 572 00:23:24,430 --> 00:23:21,049 bowings are sort of typify degan by not 573 00:23:26,529 --> 00:23:24,440 just one mystery but several not too far 574 00:23:29,379 --> 00:23:26,539 from the the foot of the mountain range 575 00:23:31,690 --> 00:23:29,389 is a lake called Lake valor and Lake 576 00:23:33,369 --> 00:23:31,700 valour as a lake monster tradition 577 00:23:35,799 --> 00:23:33,379 attached to it not unlike that of the 578 00:23:38,799 --> 00:23:35,809 Loch Ness monster me whereas the crater 579 00:23:39,669 --> 00:23:38,809 Loch Ness is known as messy lake bowers 580 00:23:43,180 --> 00:23:39,679 is called tegi 581 00:23:45,070 --> 00:23:43,190 and the story or the lots of stories as 582 00:23:47,409 --> 00:23:45,080 to what this creature or creatures might 583 00:23:51,010 --> 00:23:47,419 be everything from like a giant 584 00:23:53,620 --> 00:23:51,020 sort of mutated pike or possibly sort of 585 00:23:55,090 --> 00:23:53,630 12 to 13 feet long other papers 586 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:55,100 suggested something like a freshwater 587 00:24:00,010 --> 00:23:57,770 crocodile some people think it could be 588 00:24:02,590 --> 00:24:00,020 a totally unknown animal you know we 589 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:02,600 just don't really know until or if we 590 00:24:07,570 --> 00:24:05,210 have a catch one of these things but on 591 00:24:10,690 --> 00:24:07,580 top of that in the name Berlin itself 592 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:10,700 and sort of like a derivation from two 593 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:12,650 words which essentially sort of mean 594 00:24:18,970 --> 00:24:15,530 kingdom of the fairies and that in 595 00:24:21,310 --> 00:24:18,980 itself is intriguing but the most famous 596 00:24:25,300 --> 00:24:21,320 mystery attached to the Berlin mountains 597 00:24:27,070 --> 00:24:25,310 occurred in January 1974 when local 598 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:27,080 villages in the area reported seeing 599 00:24:32,050 --> 00:24:29,690 strange lights in the sky and then 600 00:24:34,300 --> 00:24:32,060 feeling what sounded like the impact of 601 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:34,310 something crashing onto the side of a 602 00:24:41,980 --> 00:24:38,690 mountain and because of this emergency 603 00:24:44,170 --> 00:24:41,990 services came out the British Army and 604 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:44,180 the Royal Air Force sent planes to fly 605 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:47,090 over the mountain and Land Rovers went 606 00:24:51,670 --> 00:24:49,730 up there and you know trucks full of 607 00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:51,680 troops and a lot of stories went world's 608 00:24:55,810 --> 00:24:53,360 being cordoned off by the military 609 00:24:59,020 --> 00:24:55,820 preventing even the police and getting 610 00:25:00,550 --> 00:24:59,030 up there and the official story 611 00:25:03,070 --> 00:25:00,560 the British government and the Ministry 612 00:25:07,660 --> 00:25:03,080 of Defence don't actually avoid talking 613 00:25:09,970 --> 00:25:07,670 about this event in January 74 but they 614 00:25:11,710 --> 00:25:09,980 say that the strange lights in the sky 615 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:11,720 were meteors we entering the Earth's 616 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:15,650 atmosphere and that the presumed impact 617 00:25:20,380 --> 00:25:17,570 on the mountain was a localized 618 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:20,390 earthquake but if that was the case then 619 00:25:25,300 --> 00:25:22,130 it's very weird that there should have 620 00:25:27,610 --> 00:25:25,310 been this reentry of meteorites right 621 00:25:28,750 --> 00:25:27,620 over the Bur winds at the same time that 622 00:25:31,030 --> 00:25:28,760 there was immediate that there was an 623 00:25:32,530 --> 00:25:31,040 earthquake on the ground at the burns as 624 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:32,540 well you know it almost sounds too good 625 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:35,090 to be true and since that time a number 626 00:25:38,830 --> 00:25:36,890 of British military people have come 627 00:25:42,010 --> 00:25:38,840 forward to claim knowledge or personal 628 00:25:44,650 --> 00:25:42,020 involvement in the recovery of alien 629 00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:44,660 bodies and very very strange wreckage 630 00:25:48,430 --> 00:25:46,400 from the mountainside that was whisked 631 00:25:51,010 --> 00:25:48,440 away to a place in the South of England 632 00:25:52,780 --> 00:25:51,020 called port and down important downs a 633 00:25:54,670 --> 00:25:52,790 government establishment of highly 634 00:25:56,770 --> 00:25:54,680 secret facility where the government 635 00:25:59,760 --> 00:25:56,780 does all its research into things like 636 00:26:02,170 --> 00:25:59,770 exotic viruses chemical warfare and 637 00:26:04,510 --> 00:26:02,180 biological warfare and stuff like that 638 00:26:05,230 --> 00:26:04,520 so you know if you want to autopsy an 639 00:26:06,430 --> 00:26:05,240 alien body 640 00:26:08,730 --> 00:26:06,440 where you worry that it might contain 641 00:26:11,230 --> 00:26:08,740 hazardous viruses or something like that 642 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:11,240 important down would be the ideal place 643 00:26:16,510 --> 00:26:13,970 to do the autopsy where there'll be a 644 00:26:18,790 --> 00:26:16,520 great deal of prevention of you know 645 00:26:21,790 --> 00:26:18,800 contamination and leakage of virus 646 00:26:25,090 --> 00:26:21,800 viruses outside of the confines of the 647 00:26:28,450 --> 00:26:25,100 facility and do you think there's an 648 00:26:31,210 --> 00:26:28,460 explanation for why certain places or 649 00:26:33,790 --> 00:26:31,220 people for that matter are prone to more 650 00:26:37,060 --> 00:26:33,800 paranormal experiences and sightings and 651 00:26:39,070 --> 00:26:37,070 than other places well again I think 652 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:39,080 certainly in terms of places I do 653 00:26:44,490 --> 00:26:41,210 personally believe it comes down to the 654 00:26:47,470 --> 00:26:44,500 idea of these window areas or gateways 655 00:26:49,330 --> 00:26:47,480 you know to other realms of existence I 656 00:26:51,100 --> 00:26:49,340 guess the simplest way to describe is 657 00:26:54,010 --> 00:26:51,110 you know you're driving down the road in 658 00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:54,020 your car and you don't like the radio 659 00:26:57,370 --> 00:26:55,520 channel that's on so you flip to another 660 00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:57,380 you don't like that one so you flick to 661 00:27:01,060 --> 00:26:59,120 another and all these channels are going 662 00:27:03,670 --> 00:27:01,070 on at the same time but you can only be 663 00:27:06,010 --> 00:27:03,680 tuned into one at any given moment and 664 00:27:08,890 --> 00:27:06,020 that's kind of how quantum physics 665 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:08,900 describes sort of multi dimensions that 666 00:27:14,830 --> 00:27:12,410 they're all existing one moment but we 667 00:27:16,930 --> 00:27:14,840 can only be in one and of course most of 668 00:27:18,970 --> 00:27:16,940 us if not all of us don't present the 669 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:18,980 technology to jump from one to the other 670 00:27:25,150 --> 00:27:22,730 but maybe beings or creatures far more 671 00:27:27,340 --> 00:27:25,160 advanced than us can do that and perhaps 672 00:27:31,090 --> 00:27:27,350 that's why we see them sometimes in our 673 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:31,100 realms and maybe again quantum physics 674 00:27:36,250 --> 00:27:33,530 so some physicists I should say have 675 00:27:38,590 --> 00:27:36,260 speculated on the idea that maybe some 676 00:27:41,050 --> 00:27:38,600 of these gateways occur naturally and 677 00:27:43,060 --> 00:27:41,060 randomly so in other words you could be 678 00:27:43,930 --> 00:27:43,070 walking you know through an area of 679 00:27:46,210 --> 00:27:43,940 forestland 680 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:46,220 and suddenly find yourself transported 681 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:48,610 as some people suggested you know to 682 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:51,770 previous times or to a totally different 683 00:27:55,270 --> 00:27:54,050 world and then 20 minutes later they're 684 00:27:57,550 --> 00:27:55,280 suddenly back in their own world 685 00:27:58,780 --> 00:27:57,560 wondering what I may have happened you 686 00:28:00,610 --> 00:27:58,790 know that you made sort of like a 687 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:00,620 temporary transition to somewhere else 688 00:28:07,270 --> 00:28:04,690 through a natural action of nature and 689 00:28:08,740 --> 00:28:07,280 you know and then you were you're sort 690 00:28:12,220 --> 00:28:08,750 of tossed back into you're your own 691 00:28:15,360 --> 00:28:12,230 realm again and I guess there's also a 692 00:28:17,830 --> 00:28:15,370 lot of researchers that are coming to 693 00:28:18,820 --> 00:28:17,840 conclusions about Bigfoot and Loch Ness 694 00:28:20,860 --> 00:28:18,830 monster themselves 695 00:28:23,049 --> 00:28:20,870 the actual entities that there might be 696 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:23,059 just a paranormal aspect to them rather 697 00:28:28,529 --> 00:28:25,610 than just Bigfoot being an ape creature 698 00:28:30,940 --> 00:28:28,539 because it is so strange that in this 699 00:28:32,919 --> 00:28:30,950 densely populated world with all the 700 00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:32,929 technology we have we can't get a body 701 00:28:38,350 --> 00:28:36,289 we can't get really good photographs but 702 00:28:41,289 --> 00:28:38,360 it would kind of explain things if they 703 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:41,299 were some type of energy that were just 704 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:43,010 you know some kind of timeless energy 705 00:28:49,419 --> 00:28:46,490 that's falling through these gateways of 706 00:28:50,860 --> 00:28:49,429 some kind well yeah I mean that's that's 707 00:28:52,889 --> 00:28:50,870 actually what a lot of people think and 708 00:28:55,389 --> 00:28:52,899 you know I go down that path words 709 00:28:56,529 --> 00:28:55,399 Bigfoot is more of a paranormal thing 710 00:28:58,620 --> 00:28:56,539 than just a flesh-and-blood 711 00:29:00,370 --> 00:28:58,630 thank you know a lot of mainstream 712 00:29:02,470 --> 00:29:00,380 cryptozoologists people look at these 713 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:02,480 things you know disagree with me nothing 714 00:29:06,879 --> 00:29:04,490 that's fair enough and we'll never 715 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:06,889 really know until or unless we get a 716 00:29:13,810 --> 00:29:10,370 body or not but you're right you know I 717 00:29:16,210 --> 00:29:13,820 mean the in the United States so that 718 00:29:17,220 --> 00:29:16,220 the thousands and thousands of Bigfoot 719 00:29:20,889 --> 00:29:17,230 running around 720 00:29:22,779 --> 00:29:20,899 reproducing living feed in countless 721 00:29:24,610 --> 00:29:22,789 times seen running across roads and 722 00:29:26,049 --> 00:29:24,620 photographed and people even try to 723 00:29:28,899 --> 00:29:26,059 share them be sure that at least one 724 00:29:31,389 --> 00:29:28,909 body and the fact that Bigfoot sort of 725 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:31,399 typifies this kind of here one minute 726 00:29:35,710 --> 00:29:34,250 gone the next type situation I actually 727 00:29:37,779 --> 00:29:35,720 do think you know there's something 728 00:29:40,779 --> 00:29:37,789 about this that goes far beyond just 729 00:29:42,580 --> 00:29:40,789 being 1/8 of science and zoology haven't 730 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:42,590 found yet and I'm more inclined to think 731 00:29:47,620 --> 00:29:45,010 that we are dealing with some sort of 732 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:47,630 transitory creature that you know just 733 00:29:51,370 --> 00:29:49,490 flitting and out of our reality and I 734 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:51,380 would don't pretend to know what it's 735 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:53,210 specifically owl needs but if it can do 736 00:29:57,879 --> 00:29:55,850 it to order then that would probably 737 00:30:00,250 --> 00:29:57,889 suggest that these creatures they may 738 00:30:01,570 --> 00:30:00,260 look savage in primitive but I would 739 00:30:03,789 --> 00:30:01,580 suggest they probably would have to be 740 00:30:07,090 --> 00:30:03,799 not fairly highly evolved you know to be 741 00:30:08,740 --> 00:30:07,100 able to to do that if if you know the 742 00:30:10,990 --> 00:30:08,750 date other we're not able to do in 743 00:30:12,879 --> 00:30:11,000 unison yeah that'd be quite the M night 744 00:30:15,129 --> 00:30:12,889 Shyamalan twist that's something that 745 00:30:17,919 --> 00:30:15,139 looks exactly like what you'd consider a 746 00:30:19,210 --> 00:30:17,929 caveman is actually laughing at our 747 00:30:21,730 --> 00:30:19,220 technology and laughing at our 748 00:30:24,490 --> 00:30:21,740 advancement yeah I think it may be that 749 00:30:26,169 --> 00:30:24,500 their technology is highly different to 750 00:30:28,570 --> 00:30:26,179 our you know perhaps they're relying 751 00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:28,580 more on the power of the mind 752 00:30:32,259 --> 00:30:30,799 whereas we have sort of more lying on 753 00:30:35,769 --> 00:30:32,269 reliance on the power of a lecture 754 00:30:37,779 --> 00:30:35,779 what I mean have noted sort of art that 755 00:30:40,180 --> 00:30:37,789 such an alternative energy or science 756 00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:40,190 that we don't even you know don't even 757 00:30:45,759 --> 00:30:43,129 literally see it and you also discuss in 758 00:30:47,919 --> 00:30:45,769 the book I guess there's a parallel to 759 00:30:50,229 --> 00:30:47,929 the Bermuda Triangle with the Japanese 760 00:30:53,199 --> 00:30:50,239 equivalent in the devil see what have 761 00:30:55,869 --> 00:30:53,209 you discovered about that yo the devil 762 00:30:57,639 --> 00:30:55,879 see and he's one of a number of place 763 00:30:59,079 --> 00:30:57,649 he's not unlike the Bermuda Triangle 764 00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:59,089 that exists around the world where there 765 00:31:03,969 --> 00:31:00,799 seems to have been a you know far 766 00:31:07,989 --> 00:31:03,979 greater amount of disappearances of 767 00:31:09,369 --> 00:31:07,999 ships aircraft light planes boats than 768 00:31:11,589 --> 00:31:09,379 there should be 769 00:31:13,089 --> 00:31:11,599 and for that reason it's become known as 770 00:31:15,669 --> 00:31:13,099 The Devil's sea now what's interesting 771 00:31:18,549 --> 00:31:15,679 about the gable sea which is not too far 772 00:31:21,219 --> 00:31:18,559 from up the coast of Tokyo what's 773 00:31:22,899 --> 00:31:21,229 interesting about the devil sea is that 774 00:31:24,999 --> 00:31:22,909 whereas the stories and the Bermuda 775 00:31:26,259 --> 00:31:25,009 Triangle just go back for the most part 776 00:31:28,719 --> 00:31:26,269 at least you know to the two or three 777 00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:28,729 hundred years the stories from The 778 00:31:33,310 --> 00:31:30,559 Devil's sea actually date back more than 779 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:33,320 a thousand years now Japan has a long 780 00:31:38,289 --> 00:31:35,570 tradition in its folklore and mythology 781 00:31:39,819 --> 00:31:38,299 had stories of sea dragons you know and 782 00:31:42,789 --> 00:31:39,829 that's why it's actually one of the 783 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:42,799 reason why in Japan the Godzilla movies 784 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:44,570 is so popular because they sort of pay 785 00:31:49,479 --> 00:31:47,450 homage to sort of been very dragons a 786 00:31:53,499 --> 00:31:49,489 you know a staple part of Japanese 787 00:31:56,709 --> 00:31:53,509 folklore but even sort of ten eleven 788 00:31:59,049 --> 00:31:56,719 centuries ago the area was perceived by 789 00:32:01,149 --> 00:31:59,059 the Japanese people that period has been 790 00:32:03,489 --> 00:32:01,159 very weird and ominous and that there 791 00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:03,499 was something going on that was making 792 00:32:08,879 --> 00:32:05,570 all their you know sort of ocean-going 793 00:32:11,829 --> 00:32:08,889 ships and galleons of a Laird vanish and 794 00:32:14,019 --> 00:32:11,839 at that time it was all put down to sort 795 00:32:16,060 --> 00:32:14,029 of like giant fiery dragons living under 796 00:32:19,599 --> 00:32:16,070 the ocean as it would pull ships and 797 00:32:21,789 --> 00:32:19,609 sailors down to their deaths now you 798 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:21,799 know unless somebody comes across the 799 00:32:26,379 --> 00:32:23,570 body of a dragon you know I think we can 800 00:32:29,949 --> 00:32:26,389 sort of really gave that to some 801 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:29,959 mythology but what we can't delegate to 802 00:32:36,069 --> 00:32:32,570 mythology is the idea or the fact in my 803 00:32:39,099 --> 00:32:36,079 view that the Japanese were using these 804 00:32:40,509 --> 00:32:39,109 stories of dragons to try and explain a 805 00:32:43,180 --> 00:32:40,519 very real phenomenon 806 00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:43,190 namely the real disappearance of ships 807 00:32:45,850 --> 00:32:45,289 under unexplained circumstances and 808 00:32:48,010 --> 00:32:45,860 that's 809 00:32:50,620 --> 00:32:48,020 thing to remember is that you know 810 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:50,630 regardless of who or what was doing it 811 00:32:53,169 --> 00:32:52,610 the ships were vanishing the people were 812 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:53,179 vanishing 813 00:32:57,789 --> 00:32:55,970 and and it predated but bonier the 814 00:33:01,390 --> 00:32:57,799 triangle stores by centuries but 815 00:33:03,690 --> 00:33:01,400 parallels them very closely as well man 816 00:33:05,919 --> 00:33:03,700 it does definitely seem like there's 817 00:33:08,350 --> 00:33:05,929 some type of strange connection have you 818 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:08,360 tried to map any of these places like on 819 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:10,610 to see if they're in any kind of any 820 00:33:15,250 --> 00:33:12,770 kind of pattern or alignment comes up 821 00:33:17,140 --> 00:33:15,260 well I mean some people done that and 822 00:33:19,180 --> 00:33:17,150 then you know they said well it seems to 823 00:33:21,010 --> 00:33:19,190 be that you know they crisscross if you 824 00:33:22,570 --> 00:33:21,020 to sort of put four like a straight line 825 00:33:25,539 --> 00:33:22,580 through the planets another increase 826 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:25,549 class and then skeptics have said well 827 00:33:29,230 --> 00:33:27,530 you know this is all dependent on where 828 00:33:32,110 --> 00:33:29,240 you kind of draw the line as to where 829 00:33:33,460 --> 00:33:32,120 this particular round ends you know so 830 00:33:36,340 --> 00:33:33,470 it's you're always going to have that 831 00:33:38,430 --> 00:33:36,350 argument but what I can say there are a 832 00:33:41,049 --> 00:33:38,440 number of places like this in the world 833 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:41,059 for example a book is written back in 834 00:33:47,500 --> 00:33:44,090 the 70s about how the entire Great Lakes 835 00:33:49,299 --> 00:33:47,510 area seemed to be almost identical in 836 00:33:51,430 --> 00:33:49,309 the terms of ships and aircraft and 837 00:33:55,030 --> 00:33:51,440 people vanishing throughout the Great 838 00:33:56,530 --> 00:33:55,040 Lakes region of the US so you know it 839 00:33:58,840 --> 00:33:56,540 could well be that there are a number of 840 00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:58,850 these regions that have been Savannah 841 00:34:03,310 --> 00:34:00,799 appreciated because people just think 842 00:34:05,049 --> 00:34:03,320 allied pilots and ships captains getting 843 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:05,059 lost and then running low on fuel and 844 00:34:09,070 --> 00:34:07,010 sink you know dishes ditching in the 845 00:34:11,230 --> 00:34:09,080 ocean you know so but it may actually 846 00:34:14,770 --> 00:34:11,240 not be if we look at these stories more 847 00:34:16,540 --> 00:34:14,780 carefully and one thing I liked about 848 00:34:18,220 --> 00:34:16,550 reading your book is you got places from 849 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:18,230 all over several that I haven't even 850 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:21,050 heard of but it does seem like there's a 851 00:34:26,290 --> 00:34:23,570 subtext in your book that other cultures 852 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:26,300 Eastern cultures have more of a 853 00:34:30,879 --> 00:34:28,570 curiosity and a reverence for their 854 00:34:32,409 --> 00:34:30,889 mysteries than the Western world 855 00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:32,419 especially in the u.s. so I mean would 856 00:34:37,149 --> 00:34:34,129 you say that's that's true they seem to 857 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:37,159 be more accepting yeah I think I think 858 00:34:41,919 --> 00:34:38,810 one of the reasons for that is because 859 00:34:45,010 --> 00:34:41,929 although the Western world is 860 00:34:48,250 --> 00:34:45,020 technologically more advanced the more 861 00:34:50,109 --> 00:34:48,260 technologically advanced you become it's 862 00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:50,119 kind of like you not only become reliant 863 00:34:54,580 --> 00:34:52,399 on it but we take a step away from the 864 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:54,590 more spiritual world when it's a 865 00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:55,970 spiritual world I don't mean literally 866 00:34:59,740 --> 00:34:58,330 just you know Christianity or any 867 00:35:02,260 --> 00:34:59,750 particular village 868 00:35:06,330 --> 00:35:02,270 what I mean is the idea that there are 869 00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:06,340 sort of other realms and alternative 870 00:35:09,820 --> 00:35:08,240 mysteries and things like that out there 871 00:35:12,250 --> 00:35:09,830 you know we become very sort of 872 00:35:13,930 --> 00:35:12,260 desensitized and more black-and-white 873 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:13,940 you know we're reliant on computers and 874 00:35:20,110 --> 00:35:18,170 TV and cars and you know the radios and 875 00:35:22,570 --> 00:35:20,120 the internet but we've kind of lost 876 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:22,580 touch with the sort of magical earth 877 00:35:27,220 --> 00:35:24,770 energies and the fact that there are 878 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:27,230 profound mysteries out there and the 879 00:35:31,900 --> 00:35:29,690 more we forget about them under 880 00:35:34,810 --> 00:35:31,910 appreciate them or totally you know a 881 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:34,820 total lack of appreciation I think what 882 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:39,170 happens is that we don't go looking for 883 00:35:45,610 --> 00:35:42,850 them we apply less interest in them and 884 00:35:48,490 --> 00:35:45,620 it's almost like there's a karma type 885 00:35:50,500 --> 00:35:48,500 situation where the people who know you 886 00:35:52,060 --> 00:35:50,510 start to forget about these things and 887 00:35:54,490 --> 00:35:52,070 the existence of these phenomena and 888 00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:54,500 they aren't manifest for people yet 889 00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:56,240 those people they're looking for them 890 00:36:00,460 --> 00:35:58,370 and never gave interest in them they 891 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:00,470 still experience these phenomena as if 892 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:01,970 you know the phenomena kind of great 893 00:36:05,710 --> 00:36:04,130 gets its grips into the people who 894 00:36:08,110 --> 00:36:05,720 believe in them and those that don't 895 00:36:15,250 --> 00:36:08,120 believe in them it's like well you know 896 00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:15,260 screw you yeah one other idea that the 897 00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:18,110 Philippines had such a wide variety it 898 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:20,240 seems like the biggest variety of 899 00:36:24,070 --> 00:36:23,330 cryptids of any place seems to be in 900 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:24,080 Laguna 901 00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:25,850 I mean tell us about some of those more 902 00:36:29,970 --> 00:36:28,160 interesting cases yeah but the 903 00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:29,980 Philippines has sort of long and rich 904 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:32,720 folklore mythology probably more than 905 00:36:37,450 --> 00:36:35,090 anything else oh I've cryptids sort of 906 00:36:39,730 --> 00:36:37,460 fantastic creatures and mysterious 907 00:36:40,390 --> 00:36:39,740 animals and science tells us doesn't 908 00:36:45,610 --> 00:36:40,400 exist 909 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:45,620 of them you know there are parallels 910 00:36:49,780 --> 00:36:47,570 between some of the more famous monsters 911 00:36:50,950 --> 00:36:49,790 of the world like Bigfoot and abominable 912 00:36:53,170 --> 00:36:50,960 snowman in the sense that the 913 00:36:55,720 --> 00:36:53,180 Philippines they have their own sort of 914 00:36:57,850 --> 00:36:55,730 hairy giant creatures as well that 915 00:36:59,560 --> 00:36:57,860 sounds suspiciously like some of the 916 00:37:01,180 --> 00:36:59,570 ones reported elsewhere you know whether 917 00:37:04,060 --> 00:37:01,190 described is like a cross between a 918 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:04,070 larger eighth and something looks sort 919 00:37:10,090 --> 00:37:06,530 of eerily primitively human as well in 920 00:37:13,540 --> 00:37:10,100 some respects and so they have those but 921 00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:13,550 they're also reports a sort of horrible 922 00:37:17,410 --> 00:37:15,680 not man time vampire type creature if 923 00:37:20,740 --> 00:37:17,420 you like sort of predatory winged 924 00:37:23,380 --> 00:37:20,750 creatures glowing eyes sort of terrorize 925 00:37:26,140 --> 00:37:23,390 the people the Philippines at night and 926 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:26,150 again they're sort of typical vampiric 927 00:37:32,410 --> 00:37:28,970 type animals not the sort of typical 928 00:37:35,020 --> 00:37:32,420 cloaked vampire you've seen old Bela 929 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:35,030 Lugosi films or even you know the 930 00:37:38,770 --> 00:37:35,690 watered-down 931 00:37:40,570 --> 00:37:38,780 rubbish like Twilight you know the I 932 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:40,580 mean these are more like sort of 933 00:37:44,460 --> 00:37:42,290 flesh-eating or blood-drinking 934 00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:44,470 nightmares you know sort of batwing 935 00:37:50,410 --> 00:37:48,320 glowing eye gargoyle type creatures and 936 00:37:52,450 --> 00:37:50,420 there are several other reports of 937 00:37:54,340 --> 00:37:52,460 goblin type creatures and all around the 938 00:37:56,530 --> 00:37:54,350 world you know you find sprawled the 939 00:37:58,420 --> 00:37:56,540 so-called middle people and the 940 00:38:00,870 --> 00:37:58,430 Philippines is no exception it has a lot 941 00:38:03,970 --> 00:38:00,880 of tales and traditions have sort of 942 00:38:06,190 --> 00:38:03,980 highly-advanced sort of trickster like 943 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:06,200 little people that come out at night and 944 00:38:11,530 --> 00:38:09,010 sort of plague and torments the locals 945 00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:11,540 well there are some researchers who come 946 00:38:16,030 --> 00:38:13,760 to the conclusion that through time 947 00:38:18,610 --> 00:38:16,040 we're really dealing with some type of 948 00:38:20,380 --> 00:38:18,620 the same phenomenon that manifests 949 00:38:23,050 --> 00:38:20,390 itself in different ways over time 950 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:23,060 whether it be fairies or leprechauns or 951 00:38:27,340 --> 00:38:25,850 you know even in more modern times UFOs 952 00:38:28,540 --> 00:38:27,350 and the greys do you make that 953 00:38:31,330 --> 00:38:28,550 connection as well do you think these 954 00:38:33,490 --> 00:38:31,340 are related oh yeah I don't think 955 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:33,500 there's any doubt about that I mean you 956 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:35,810 know I don't when people think of 957 00:38:39,970 --> 00:38:37,970 fairies you know the image today we have 958 00:38:41,410 --> 00:38:39,980 is sort of little female characters with 959 00:38:43,570 --> 00:38:41,420 wings on the back sitting around 960 00:38:45,970 --> 00:38:43,580 Christmas trees and whatever unit had 961 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:45,980 that's actually a creation of only about 962 00:38:51,550 --> 00:38:49,370 the last 150 200 years prior to that 963 00:38:54,580 --> 00:38:51,560 time particularly in Britain fairies 964 00:38:56,890 --> 00:38:54,590 were sort of perceived as actually quite 965 00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:56,900 ominous character that could be as 966 00:39:02,410 --> 00:38:58,880 friendly and plate as they could be 967 00:39:04,660 --> 00:39:02,420 trickster like and malevolent they were 968 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:04,670 described more along the lines of a 969 00:39:10,750 --> 00:39:08,570 small wizened sort of bobbling little 970 00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:10,760 people who would live in caves and 971 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:13,250 caverns and come out at night and steal 972 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:16,130 milk and animals and kidnap babies and 973 00:39:20,980 --> 00:39:18,530 terrorize people in their bedrooms and 974 00:39:22,750 --> 00:39:20,990 and of course this all could seem very 975 00:39:24,730 --> 00:39:22,760 close early today daily abduction 976 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:24,740 stories I mean Harold was so close 977 00:39:28,450 --> 00:39:26,570 example in fairy lore 978 00:39:30,220 --> 00:39:28,460 you know mended often be taken to the 979 00:39:32,970 --> 00:39:30,230 fairy Kingdom to mate with the fairy 980 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:32,980 queen and to create half human half 981 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:35,810 fairy offspring which is like a classic 982 00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:38,210 case today with the alien greys and 983 00:39:42,850 --> 00:39:40,880 making hybrid children you know when 984 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:42,860 people in the fairy Kingdom when they 985 00:39:47,590 --> 00:39:45,290 came back they find two days had gone by 986 00:39:49,690 --> 00:39:47,600 and they thought just two hours of run 987 00:39:53,050 --> 00:39:49,700 by which is you know today's equivalent 988 00:39:56,590 --> 00:39:53,060 to missing time in real diamonds yeah 989 00:39:58,060 --> 00:39:56,600 and you never need a UFO angle where you 990 00:40:00,850 --> 00:39:58,070 know people today have abductions they 991 00:40:03,250 --> 00:40:00,860 see UFOs back four or five hundred years 992 00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:03,260 ago people talked about going into the 993 00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:04,880 woods and before the fairies would turn 994 00:40:09,610 --> 00:40:07,490 up they would see fairy lights in other 995 00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:09,620 words something unknown flying in the 996 00:40:13,540 --> 00:40:11,690 sky that was brightly lit and they would 997 00:40:16,060 --> 00:40:13,550 see these fairy wings on the ground 998 00:40:19,930 --> 00:40:16,070 which in retrospect sounds somewhat like 999 00:40:22,620 --> 00:40:19,940 crop circles so you I think one person's 1000 00:40:25,300 --> 00:40:22,630 fairy or goblin is another person's 1001 00:40:27,790 --> 00:40:25,310 alien but where I take it a bit further 1002 00:40:30,550 --> 00:40:27,800 than some other people I actually wonder 1003 00:40:33,100 --> 00:40:30,560 if the phenomenon kind of camouflages 1004 00:40:36,970 --> 00:40:33,110 itself and manifests according to the 1005 00:40:39,370 --> 00:40:36,980 beliefs and subconscious scenarios of 1006 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:39,380 the people that air so maybe you know 1007 00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:42,650 the phenomenon itself changes in the way 1008 00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:44,690 present itself for people I mean 1009 00:40:49,090 --> 00:40:46,400 literally you know maybe we've never 1010 00:40:51,580 --> 00:40:49,100 seen it in its real form but it kind of 1011 00:40:53,740 --> 00:40:51,590 has according to pretty good see 1012 00:40:56,410 --> 00:40:53,750 perceptions of how these things should 1013 00:40:59,230 --> 00:40:56,420 appear you know definitely something I 1014 00:40:59,860 --> 00:40:59,240 just thought about is even in the Disney 1015 00:41:01,840 --> 00:40:59,870 universe 1016 00:41:03,940 --> 00:41:01,850 Tinkerbell herself I mean she glows 1017 00:41:05,830 --> 00:41:03,950 which is kind of odd and when you see or 1018 00:41:08,140 --> 00:41:05,840 flying around it looks just like the 1019 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:08,150 stories of the orbs that you see flying 1020 00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:11,330 around you know oh yeah I mean you can 1021 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:13,250 draw many parallels or throughout 1022 00:41:19,090 --> 00:41:15,530 history of you know countless cultures 1023 00:41:21,820 --> 00:41:19,100 of other little people where you know 1024 00:41:23,830 --> 00:41:21,830 that the the similarity between today's 1025 00:41:25,540 --> 00:41:23,840 abductions you know alien idiots would 1026 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:25,550 would ignore that but unfortunately a 1027 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:28,130 lot of adoption researchers do ignore 1028 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:30,530 them and I just don't want to they think 1029 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:32,210 it's taint in their research which they 1030 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:34,370 were looking to deeply they find 1031 00:41:38,530 --> 00:41:36,530 actually would help you know in the 1032 00:41:40,090 --> 00:41:38,540 search for answers I think it is a shame 1033 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:40,100 I run into that kind 1034 00:41:44,590 --> 00:41:42,650 a lot on this show with certain people 1035 00:41:45,730 --> 00:41:44,600 come out of the woodwork and start 1036 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:45,740 telling me oh you know you're having a 1037 00:41:50,290 --> 00:41:47,570 psychic on you believe in psychics it's 1038 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:50,300 like no interest doesn't necessarily 1039 00:41:54,610 --> 00:41:52,970 mean believe it's just you know we have 1040 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:54,620 we can look at it and at the end be like 1041 00:42:00,310 --> 00:41:56,690 ant there's nothing there but why just 1042 00:42:02,230 --> 00:42:00,320 ignore things yeah I mean that's an 1043 00:42:05,290 --> 00:42:02,240 important thing I mean people say to me 1044 00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:05,300 you know well what do you believe in 1045 00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:07,280 really believe in that and belief is it 1046 00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:11,570 sort of very emotive term because none 1047 00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:13,520 of us really should be believing in 1048 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:15,410 anything without proof what we should be 1049 00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:18,290 doing is investigating it and trying to 1050 00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:19,730 the best of our ability to come to a 1051 00:42:25,150 --> 00:42:21,680 conclusion to become come to a 1052 00:42:26,980 --> 00:42:25,160 conclusion we should try and figure out 1053 00:42:29,140 --> 00:42:26,990 based on the evidence that we do have 1054 00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:29,150 what looks to be going on or what may be 1055 00:42:34,900 --> 00:42:32,410 going on but to recognize that a 1056 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:34,910 conclusion or a theory and a belief he's 1057 00:42:39,940 --> 00:42:37,610 different to hard facts so you know I 1058 00:42:41,140 --> 00:42:39,950 unconvinced as a genuine Bigfoot 1059 00:42:45,130 --> 00:42:41,150 phenomenon there's no doubt about that 1060 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:45,140 but I don't believe it's a giant egg 1061 00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:46,610 anymore and I can say I've been leave 1062 00:42:51,220 --> 00:42:49,250 fully but it's been two-dimensional you 1063 00:42:53,170 --> 00:42:51,230 know I conclude because there are a 1064 00:42:55,180 --> 00:42:53,180 number reports of Bigfoot vanishing in 1065 00:42:58,900 --> 00:42:55,190 the flash of light or a litany now to 1066 00:43:01,540 --> 00:42:58,910 that reality the the path for me suggest 1067 00:43:05,620 --> 00:43:01,550 we go down that sort of portal or 1068 00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:05,630 doorway type route but that's very given 1069 00:43:10,660 --> 00:43:08,960 from you know believing that or having 1070 00:43:12,330 --> 00:43:10,670 proof of it you know we need to sort of 1071 00:43:16,420 --> 00:43:12,340 stay grounded when we're dealing with 1072 00:43:18,850 --> 00:43:16,430 controversies Lightning's agreed and you 1073 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:18,860 mentioned a minute ago like these winged 1074 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:21,770 creatures and there is another story 1075 00:43:27,340 --> 00:43:24,170 again in California Devil's Gate Dam 1076 00:43:29,890 --> 00:43:27,350 that crops up with marvel white set 1077 00:43:33,250 --> 00:43:29,900 whiteside Parsons who followed Crowley 1078 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:33,260 and it seems like wherever these occult 1079 00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:36,050 Cisco so does some kind of weird 1080 00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,480 creatures I mean they could be would you 1081 00:43:43,810 --> 00:43:40,720 suggest maybe conjuring these things 1082 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:43,820 well I'm not sure the conjuring them or 1083 00:43:49,570 --> 00:43:48,050 you know that the whole thing with with 1084 00:43:51,070 --> 00:43:49,580 Crowley was that you know he was 1085 00:43:53,890 --> 00:43:51,080 involved in a lot of rites and rituals 1086 00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:53,900 to try and I guess involved 1087 00:43:58,240 --> 00:43:55,520 identities but the important thing is 1088 00:44:00,160 --> 00:43:58,250 that he was not involving them from you 1089 00:44:01,780 --> 00:44:00,170 know his subconscious sort of creating 1090 00:44:04,510 --> 00:44:01,790 something out of his mind and giving it 1091 00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:04,520 substance in the real world he was a 1092 00:44:09,610 --> 00:44:06,530 believer in the existence of sort of 1093 00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:09,620 multi Vout multi-layered realms and that 1094 00:44:14,380 --> 00:44:11,090 if you knew how to do it you could 1095 00:44:16,750 --> 00:44:14,390 invoke them into our reality so I think 1096 00:44:18,610 --> 00:44:16,760 there's a good chance that you know 1097 00:44:21,940 --> 00:44:18,620 skilled occultist using some of these 1098 00:44:24,430 --> 00:44:21,950 ancient teachings which the ancient man 1099 00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:24,440 you knew great deal more about than we 1100 00:44:29,950 --> 00:44:27,520 do I think have the skills to actually 1101 00:44:32,980 --> 00:44:29,960 into the metaphorical terms you know 1102 00:44:35,500 --> 00:44:32,990 turn the key and open a door that allows 1103 00:44:38,350 --> 00:44:35,510 something in according to these sort of 1104 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:38,360 rites and rituals now of course the big 1105 00:44:42,370 --> 00:44:40,730 question is whether you actually want to 1106 00:44:44,260 --> 00:44:42,380 fly one of these things do all you 1107 00:44:46,510 --> 00:44:44,270 should you know depending on whether 1108 00:44:48,730 --> 00:44:46,520 it's friendly or totally malevolent and 1109 00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:48,740 if you do allow it through well how do 1110 00:44:52,570 --> 00:44:50,000 you get rid of it again if you don't 1111 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:52,580 like it and see or can you can you even 1112 00:44:56,860 --> 00:44:54,650 get rid of it you know and what are the 1113 00:44:58,630 --> 00:44:56,870 big things I point out not so much in 1114 00:45:01,000 --> 00:44:58,640 this book but in other books that I've 1115 00:45:03,340 --> 00:45:01,010 written is that when people open these 1116 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:03,350 doors and let things through you know 1117 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:05,570 it's like sometimes everything just goes 1118 00:45:09,490 --> 00:45:08,210 goes to [\h__\h] in their lives you know 1119 00:45:13,690 --> 00:45:09,500 it's like they're being hit by this 1120 00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:13,700 total negative atmosphere where you know 1121 00:45:19,720 --> 00:45:16,880 it just runs of bad luck physical health 1122 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:19,730 problems mental health problems you know 1123 00:45:23,650 --> 00:45:21,650 just disaster upon disaster the 1124 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:23,660 refrigerator stops working you know the 1125 00:45:29,620 --> 00:45:26,810 washing machine goes out and it's all at 1126 00:45:31,690 --> 00:45:29,630 one time as if you know a total air of 1127 00:45:34,660 --> 00:45:31,700 negativity negativity created by this 1128 00:45:36,580 --> 00:45:34,670 being as its descended on you for Darren 1129 00:45:39,730 --> 00:45:36,590 to sort of disturb its 1130 00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:39,740 slumber or whatever you know yeah I I 1131 00:45:43,810 --> 00:45:41,810 hear that all the time but also another 1132 00:45:46,330 --> 00:45:43,820 thing I know you don't do a lot of work 1133 00:45:48,690 --> 00:45:46,340 on the you know Illuminati or global 1134 00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:48,700 elite but you always hear stories that 1135 00:45:53,230 --> 00:45:51,680 they're doing you know satanic rituals 1136 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:53,240 and stuff too and it's such a weird 1137 00:45:58,240 --> 00:45:54,650 thing because it's like they seem to be 1138 00:46:00,400 --> 00:45:58,250 doing okay yeah well again I think you 1139 00:46:02,140 --> 00:46:00,410 know depends I actually do believe 1140 00:46:05,050 --> 00:46:02,150 there's something to the idea that what 1141 00:46:07,690 --> 00:46:05,060 you go looking for you know you actually 1142 00:46:09,700 --> 00:46:07,700 get and I think yeah there's people 1143 00:46:11,859 --> 00:46:09,710 all Gavilan with Ouija board you know I 1144 00:46:14,130 --> 00:46:11,869 think it's a cool on the 598 a bunch of 1145 00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:14,140 beer in and you know let's try and 1146 00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:16,609 contact your grandmother or whatever you 1147 00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:19,910 know it's joking aside that there is 1148 00:46:24,579 --> 00:46:21,650 evidence in this actually works but 1149 00:46:28,060 --> 00:46:24,589 sometimes you can get sort of like an 1150 00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:28,070 entity or a very negative thing that 1151 00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:32,480 sort of manifests or you know pretends 1152 00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:34,250 to be something it's not in other words 1153 00:46:38,349 --> 00:46:36,050 you know if it's not the real thing you 1154 00:46:40,690 --> 00:46:38,359 think you're calling true but also 1155 00:46:43,030 --> 00:46:40,700 people like Crowley you know they 1156 00:46:45,940 --> 00:46:43,040 recognize God wasn't a dabbler you know 1157 00:46:48,190 --> 00:46:45,950 he was a very skilled occultist who knew 1158 00:46:50,770 --> 00:46:48,200 the hazards of what happens if you go 1159 00:46:53,740 --> 00:46:50,780 looking for these things and he even you 1160 00:46:55,180 --> 00:46:53,750 know is very careful as to the type that 1161 00:46:56,770 --> 00:46:55,190 he went looking for and the type that he 1162 00:46:58,630 --> 00:46:56,780 felt could benefit him because he knew 1163 00:47:00,940 --> 00:46:58,640 there were those that you know were 1164 00:47:03,849 --> 00:47:00,950 negative and would only end in disaster 1165 00:47:06,730 --> 00:47:03,859 and of course maybe that's some of these 1166 00:47:08,890 --> 00:47:06,740 you know sort of conspiratorial groups 1167 00:47:11,770 --> 00:47:08,900 and political organizations that do this 1168 00:47:12,970 --> 00:47:11,780 sort of thing that they actually you 1169 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:12,980 know they don't do it randomly they 1170 00:47:16,599 --> 00:47:14,690 focus on the ones that they think is 1171 00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:16,609 going to give them health wealth and 1172 00:47:22,210 --> 00:47:19,599 power or whatever you know rather than 1173 00:47:23,530 --> 00:47:22,220 there's some supernatural powers appear 1174 00:47:25,780 --> 00:47:23,540 line there which is the sort of thing 1175 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:25,790 that Crowley was looking for and he 1176 00:47:31,930 --> 00:47:27,770 comes up Aleister Crowley comes in up in 1177 00:47:33,849 --> 00:47:31,940 a couple of your books and I I feel like 1178 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:33,859 you could do a whole show just on him 1179 00:47:37,750 --> 00:47:35,450 he's so fast name but do you know like 1180 00:47:40,030 --> 00:47:37,760 how he got into it what kind of guy was 1181 00:47:42,700 --> 00:47:40,040 he because he seems somewhat like kind 1182 00:47:45,339 --> 00:47:42,710 of evil but I mean he was also famous 1183 00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:45,349 right yeah I mean I wouldn't say 1184 00:47:49,240 --> 00:47:46,880 anything I think that's more the sort of 1185 00:47:51,550 --> 00:47:49,250 simplistic image people have you know if 1186 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:51,560 you double in the world you know people 1187 00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:53,690 think of slaughtering babies at midnight 1188 00:47:58,569 --> 00:47:56,000 on Halloween and pinion apud on me this 1189 00:48:00,640 --> 00:47:58,579 isn't the guillotine true at all you 1190 00:48:03,970 --> 00:48:00,650 know pass excuse me parcels and 1191 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:03,980 Crowley's view was that there are other 1192 00:48:08,530 --> 00:48:06,170 realms young hours you know sort of 1193 00:48:11,260 --> 00:48:08,540 inhabited by magical fantastic creatures 1194 00:48:14,770 --> 00:48:11,270 which you can almost do like a deal with 1195 00:48:16,540 --> 00:48:14,780 and you know in return for offering them 1196 00:48:19,180 --> 00:48:16,550 something or doing something to them you 1197 00:48:22,450 --> 00:48:19,190 know you can be live alone and we as I 1198 00:48:24,970 --> 00:48:22,460 said wealth power and whatever you want 1199 00:48:27,070 --> 00:48:24,980 now so that was sort of not very much 1200 00:48:30,010 --> 00:48:27,080 his approach it wasn't thundering of 1201 00:48:33,610 --> 00:48:30,020 demons to kill people you know it was 1202 00:48:36,430 --> 00:48:33,620 opening doorways to try and do deals 1203 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:36,440 with these powerful entities and ended 1204 00:48:40,780 --> 00:48:39,530 his own life if you like but what's 1205 00:48:42,490 --> 00:48:40,790 interesting from a psychological 1206 00:48:44,290 --> 00:48:42,500 perspective when you asked how did he 1207 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:44,300 get involved you actually grew up in a 1208 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:48,410 very strict Orthodox normal religious 1209 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:50,690 background you know where his father was 1210 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:52,970 a very domineering religious character 1211 00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:55,490 and he rebelled against that so you 1212 00:48:59,350 --> 00:48:56,960 could argue no there's actually a bit of 1213 00:49:01,930 --> 00:48:59,360 a psychological thing going on you know 1214 00:49:04,390 --> 00:49:01,940 so the typical teenage rebellion against 1215 00:49:06,310 --> 00:49:04,400 dad here to wear wearing those people 1216 00:49:09,460 --> 00:49:06,320 yeah it was most people you know you 1217 00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:09,470 where I Oh Sex Pistols t-shirt and get 1218 00:49:14,860 --> 00:49:10,880 your nose pierced and dye your hair 1219 00:49:17,530 --> 00:49:14,870 green then he went yeah gay men exactly 1220 00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:17,540 yeah instead of doing that he went down 1221 00:49:23,020 --> 00:49:20,510 the other path of not just you know sort 1222 00:49:26,260 --> 00:49:23,030 of Dublin we which leaderboards but 1223 00:49:29,050 --> 00:49:26,270 literally immersing himself massively in 1224 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:29,060 sort of ancient books and poring over 1225 00:49:33,130 --> 00:49:31,130 them for months and years at a time and 1226 00:49:35,350 --> 00:49:33,140 and some of these rituals he engaged in 1227 00:49:37,060 --> 00:49:35,360 I mean they were like weeks long I mean 1228 00:49:38,770 --> 00:49:37,070 literally not sort of Friday night with 1229 00:49:41,020 --> 00:49:38,780 a few beers you know I mean literally 1230 00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:41,030 where he would go on starvation though 1231 00:49:46,180 --> 00:49:43,310 living on you know the smallest amounts 1232 00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:46,190 of food and water as possible to purify 1233 00:49:50,980 --> 00:49:48,410 mind and body and get himself in 1234 00:49:54,850 --> 00:49:50,990 trance-like states called by almost like 1235 00:49:56,170 --> 00:49:54,860 near starvation to enter into sort of 1236 00:49:59,530 --> 00:49:56,180 some sort of interaction with these 1237 00:50:01,840 --> 00:49:59,540 beings yeah he's such a strange guy I 1238 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:01,850 mean probably the most interesting story 1239 00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:06,890 is his uh I don't know if it would be 1240 00:50:11,470 --> 00:50:09,410 channeling or his communication with the 1241 00:50:14,830 --> 00:50:11,480 entity lamb do you think there's any 1242 00:50:16,810 --> 00:50:14,840 validity to that story oh yeah I mean if 1243 00:50:18,550 --> 00:50:16,820 you look at lamb kebab retrospectively 1244 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:18,560 looks almost like a creature on the 1245 00:50:22,420 --> 00:50:19,970 phone to witness streamers could be 1246 00:50:23,980 --> 00:50:22,430 Odeon all right though it's got eyeball 1247 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:23,990 you know it's got eyeballs and beautiful 1248 00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:25,610 but if you just painted in those eyes 1249 00:50:29,260 --> 00:50:27,920 that are totally black there's really no 1250 00:50:33,190 --> 00:50:29,270 different you know it so I've got this 1251 00:50:34,609 --> 00:50:33,200 large sort of bald head is penetrating 1252 00:50:37,730 --> 00:50:34,619 eyes little thin nose and 1253 00:50:39,650 --> 00:50:37,740 mouth huge head sitting on these tiny 1254 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:39,660 shoulders it looks like one of today's 1255 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:41,490 Grey's but this was sort of conjured up 1256 00:50:49,309 --> 00:50:45,890 you know before 1920 we select 1918 1919 1257 00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:49,319 and again I don't think there's any 1258 00:50:54,849 --> 00:50:52,319 doubt that that what Crowley conjured up 1259 00:50:58,789 --> 00:50:54,859 is what today passes for the greys and 1260 00:51:01,009 --> 00:50:58,799 that's why unless you're in Clark I'm 1261 00:51:02,509 --> 00:51:01,019 not inclined you know I don't believe 1262 00:51:05,029 --> 00:51:02,519 that the grades whatever they are and 1263 00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:05,039 literal aliens coming in richland 1264 00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:06,960 nuts-and-bolts craft I think they're far 1265 00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:10,079 stranger possibly rather mean alien in 1266 00:51:13,339 --> 00:51:11,609 the sense of in extraterrestrial I think 1267 00:51:16,609 --> 00:51:13,349 the more likely alien in the sense have 1268 00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:16,619 been interdimensional and maybe they 1269 00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:18,210 come through and they wonder that maybe 1270 00:51:24,739 --> 00:51:22,319 you know pair of the mind we go looking 1271 00:51:26,269 --> 00:51:24,749 for and they know you know their radar 1272 00:51:28,579 --> 00:51:26,279 kind of goes off when they know 1273 00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:28,589 someone's looking for them and maybe 1274 00:51:33,259 --> 00:51:30,960 they manifest you know like channeling a 1275 00:51:35,180 --> 00:51:33,269 lot of people sort of look down on 1276 00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:35,190 channeling but I think the idea you get 1277 00:51:39,289 --> 00:51:36,720 himself into an altered state and you 1278 00:51:42,650 --> 00:51:39,299 call these things for it's like 1279 00:51:44,329 --> 00:51:42,660 something sparks off like a radar or red 1280 00:51:47,180 --> 00:51:44,339 light flashes at their end you know in 1281 00:51:48,979 --> 00:51:47,190 simple terms and and then they appear if 1282 00:51:51,979 --> 00:51:48,989 they choose to and I think that's what 1283 00:51:53,809 --> 00:51:51,989 happened with Crowley and I mean like 1284 00:51:54,799 --> 00:51:53,819 scoob's books you know a lot of people 1285 00:51:56,509 --> 00:51:54,809 have read them think it's just 1286 00:51:58,069 --> 00:51:56,519 straightforward stories of abduction if 1287 00:52:00,979 --> 00:51:58,079 you made communion you know that's as 1288 00:52:04,190 --> 00:52:00,989 much about magic and right in which you 1289 00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:04,200 or to you know sort of try and get these 1290 00:52:08,749 --> 00:52:06,569 things to appear and synchronicities and 1291 00:52:11,180 --> 00:52:08,759 also to weird stuff that i think that's 1292 00:52:13,489 --> 00:52:11,190 why there was a lot of backlash against 1293 00:52:15,799 --> 00:52:13,499 Trevor because a lot of people who 1294 00:52:20,690 --> 00:52:15,809 follow G thought they were going to get 1295 00:52:23,329 --> 00:52:20,700 a story of alien abduction no eggs and 1296 00:52:25,579 --> 00:52:23,339 sperm and DNA taken what alien 1297 00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:25,589 scientists but you know you really had 1298 00:52:31,729 --> 00:52:28,319 something that was for me far better and 1299 00:52:34,130 --> 00:52:31,739 a more open-minded in deeply alternative 1300 00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:34,140 in terms of looking for answers but you 1301 00:52:38,210 --> 00:52:36,690 know youth illogical old school I don't 1302 00:52:39,710 --> 00:52:38,220 want to hear about it you know that's 1303 00:52:42,739 --> 00:52:39,720 what you're up against unfortunately 1304 00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:42,749 yeah well when you think about lamb deep 1305 00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:45,569 like I mean because there is a you know 1306 00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:47,850 a drawing a representation of him 1307 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:49,920 was this something that came from 1308 00:52:55,310 --> 00:52:52,290 Crowley's mind or do you think like 1309 00:52:58,040 --> 00:52:55,320 there was a you know I liked it 1310 00:53:01,100 --> 00:52:58,050 was it a holographic representation or 1311 00:53:03,950 --> 00:53:01,110 well I mean it's difficult to say 1312 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:03,960 because when people get into these 1313 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:06,090 altered states you know whether it's 1314 00:53:11,750 --> 00:53:09,090 through just trance repeated meditation 1315 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:11,760 or whether it's you know to something 1316 00:53:18,620 --> 00:53:15,210 like masculine or LSD you know the big 1317 00:53:22,340 --> 00:53:18,630 question is are people seeing something 1318 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:22,350 that manifests in our world or are they 1319 00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:24,450 seen something that manifest it is real 1320 00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:26,730 an external but manifests within the 1321 00:53:33,260 --> 00:53:29,760 given mind you know that's these are the 1322 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:33,270 big questions and jumping in today with 1323 00:53:37,010 --> 00:53:34,770 all the research that's been done it can 1324 00:53:39,500 --> 00:53:37,020 be fully clean now the idea with alien 1325 00:53:41,540 --> 00:53:39,510 abductions they often happen to people 1326 00:53:43,900 --> 00:53:41,550 they're sleeping in bed in other words 1327 00:53:46,580 --> 00:53:43,910 they occur in the dream state now 1328 00:53:49,100 --> 00:53:46,590 skeptics will say well let me give you 1329 00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:49,110 just a dream but what if a lot of 1330 00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:50,880 researchers that's now coming down to 1331 00:53:55,730 --> 00:53:53,130 the idea of what if this others on this 1332 00:53:57,590 --> 00:53:55,740 other dimension can actually on the 1333 00:54:00,560 --> 00:53:57,600 entities from it can interact with us in 1334 00:54:02,990 --> 00:54:00,570 our dream state that's to say what if 1335 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:03,000 their normal state of existence is kind 1336 00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:06,330 of like a dream state and so they can 1337 00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:08,730 hop from that to ours so what appears to 1338 00:54:15,020 --> 00:54:12,570 be a real experience or a very vivid 1339 00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,030 dream actually is something that's 1340 00:54:20,300 --> 00:54:17,280 really being played out in our mind but 1341 00:54:22,730 --> 00:54:20,310 in us in a way in a fashion so fantastic 1342 00:54:25,070 --> 00:54:22,740 but it's almost impossible to believe it 1343 00:54:27,710 --> 00:54:25,080 could occur you know that the dream 1344 00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:27,720 state itself is a type of reality but 1345 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:29,280 that's like way to describe or be sort 1346 00:54:35,450 --> 00:54:32,850 of like the matrix you know a totally 1347 00:54:38,780 --> 00:54:35,460 real looking environment that doesn't 1348 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:38,790 exist you know well and also not only 1349 00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:40,890 dream states but psychedelic states I 1350 00:54:46,340 --> 00:54:43,920 mean myself I've had one experience I 1351 00:54:47,810 --> 00:54:46,350 talk about it every so often on the show 1352 00:54:50,060 --> 00:54:47,820 but it is just one of those things I 1353 00:54:52,010 --> 00:54:50,070 understand it's like hard to explain if 1354 00:54:55,700 --> 00:54:52,020 you if you had to be there kind of story 1355 00:54:58,220 --> 00:54:55,710 but I mean on on salvia I experienced a 1356 00:54:59,960 --> 00:54:58,230 male and female entity it was all 1357 00:55:01,010 --> 00:54:59,970 nothing I could visualize but just like 1358 00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:01,020 a sin 1359 00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:04,050 presents and long story short the 1360 00:55:07,580 --> 00:55:05,610 dialogue was essentially this male 1361 00:55:08,930 --> 00:55:07,590 presence was like yeah man come glad 1362 00:55:10,550 --> 00:55:08,940 you're here like it's super cool that 1363 00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:10,560 you know were able to communicate with 1364 00:55:13,820 --> 00:55:12,240 you and then there was like a female 1365 00:55:15,410 --> 00:55:13,830 presence it was a little more cynical 1366 00:55:15,830 --> 00:55:15,420 that was like he's not going to stay 1367 00:55:20,090 --> 00:55:15,840 here 1368 00:55:21,470 --> 00:55:20,100 him alone and then it was over and 1369 00:55:23,990 --> 00:55:21,480 that's happened a couple of times and 1370 00:55:25,220 --> 00:55:24,000 it's reported all the time I mean these 1371 00:55:27,130 --> 00:55:25,230 I think there's something about the 1372 00:55:29,390 --> 00:55:27,140 psychedelic state in the dream state and 1373 00:55:31,540 --> 00:55:29,400 you know any altered state there seems 1374 00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:31,550 to be a connection between all of them 1375 00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:34,530 yeah I mean the thing with psychedelics 1376 00:55:38,180 --> 00:55:36,960 is the you know people so well it's just 1377 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:38,190 an experience where the mind 1378 00:55:41,930 --> 00:55:39,930 hallucinates but I'm not I actually 1379 00:55:43,850 --> 00:55:41,940 don't think that it is the case I mean 1380 00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:43,860 when you talk about having like a 1381 00:55:48,380 --> 00:55:45,570 positive and they're negative in your 1382 00:55:51,590 --> 00:55:48,390 experience I mean the whole thing with 1383 00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:51,600 psychedelics is that the you know the 1384 00:55:57,260 --> 00:55:55,290 setting and it is important as the mood 1385 00:55:59,240 --> 00:55:57,270 you know the mind frame it seems 1386 00:56:01,070 --> 00:55:59,250 important it's like if you having a 1387 00:56:02,810 --> 00:56:01,080 first-time trip on LSD and you're scared 1388 00:56:05,210 --> 00:56:02,820 stiff but it's all going to go wrong or 1389 00:56:07,730 --> 00:56:05,220 your hearts going to be wildly and you 1390 00:56:09,859 --> 00:56:07,740 know hold a stroke then you can all but 1391 00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:09,869 guarantee that what you experienced in 1392 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:11,910 that state it's probably going to be 1393 00:56:17,870 --> 00:56:15,810 pretty negative if you go in open-minded 1394 00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:17,880 and thinking this is going to transform 1395 00:56:22,970 --> 00:56:20,130 in elevating that's usually what happens 1396 00:56:25,460 --> 00:56:22,980 is a positive experience so again I 1397 00:56:29,590 --> 00:56:25,470 think this demonstrates this whole issue 1398 00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:29,600 of the phenomena reacting to it 1399 00:56:34,220 --> 00:56:32,250 according to the mindset of the person 1400 00:56:36,380 --> 00:56:34,230 you know kind of like that karma thing 1401 00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:36,390 but you'll get what you asked for in 1402 00:56:39,109 --> 00:56:37,440 life you know if you're the sort of 1403 00:56:41,210 --> 00:56:39,119 person who sees a graph the glass is 1404 00:56:44,540 --> 00:56:41,220 always half-empty it's going to stay off 1405 00:56:46,370 --> 00:56:44,550 empty the seat is half-full it magically 1406 00:56:49,070 --> 00:56:46,380 fills its way up you know and I think 1407 00:56:52,070 --> 00:56:49,080 that's and I do think psychedelics do 1408 00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:52,080 open portals you know to other realms 1409 00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:53,490 and I actually do think some of these 1410 00:56:58,160 --> 00:56:55,680 realms are many all of them you know are 1411 00:57:00,380 --> 00:56:58,170 like a matrix styling wheel but we can 1412 00:57:01,790 --> 00:57:00,390 insert ourselves in you know it's kind 1413 00:57:04,190 --> 00:57:01,800 of like we are in addition to the 1414 00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:04,200 program and we can be loaded you know 1415 00:57:09,220 --> 00:57:06,000 onto the mainframe or whatever and then 1416 00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:09,230 you know downloaded onto the harddrive 1417 00:57:13,970 --> 00:57:11,520 briefly and then was sucked back into 1418 00:57:14,609 --> 00:57:13,980 our body afterwards and psychedelics I 1419 00:57:16,739 --> 00:57:14,619 think that 1420 00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:16,749 are the equivalent of sticking a thumb 1421 00:57:21,329 --> 00:57:18,730 drive into the side of your laptop your 1422 00:57:24,749 --> 00:57:21,339 laptop and you know downloading it I 1423 00:57:28,289 --> 00:57:24,759 think the the changing moment in mind is 1424 00:57:29,940 --> 00:57:28,299 the same as you know putting a new JPEG 1425 00:57:32,370 --> 00:57:29,950 on to compute all what I really fighting 1426 00:57:34,039 --> 00:57:32,380 something to you know the memory or 1427 00:57:37,009 --> 00:57:34,049 whatever yeah that's a great analogy 1428 00:57:41,249 --> 00:57:37,019 have you at yourself ever had any 1429 00:57:43,859 --> 00:57:41,259 paranormal psychedelic experiences and 1430 00:57:45,900 --> 00:57:43,869 well the closest I can think of in terms 1431 00:57:48,059 --> 00:57:45,910 what I've just been speaking about is 1432 00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:48,069 where I had a very sort of weird sleep 1433 00:57:52,859 --> 00:57:50,799 paralysis type experience about ten 1434 00:57:55,410 --> 00:57:52,869 years ago and this is actually when I 1435 00:57:59,579 --> 00:57:55,420 was doing like trance meditation stuff 1436 00:58:02,579 --> 00:57:59,589 and I was it sleep one night in systems 1437 00:58:05,130 --> 00:58:02,589 like 2002 or 2003 something like that so 1438 00:58:06,930 --> 00:58:05,140 mine or ten years ago and you know sleep 1439 00:58:09,539 --> 00:58:06,940 paralysis this situation where people 1440 00:58:11,430 --> 00:58:09,549 you know kind of semi awake in middle of 1441 00:58:13,950 --> 00:58:11,440 the night can't move and they feel that 1442 00:58:17,549 --> 00:58:13,960 this hostile often hostile presence 1443 00:58:19,739 --> 00:58:17,559 coming towards them or often you know it 1444 00:58:22,519 --> 00:58:19,749 sort of straddles them in the bed it's 1445 00:58:25,529 --> 00:58:22,529 kind of like the Incubus succubus 1446 00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:25,539 situation or in haneda they have a very 1447 00:58:30,359 --> 00:58:27,730 prevalent legend to the old hag sort of 1448 00:58:31,650 --> 00:58:30,369 this hideous old woman that sort of you 1449 00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:31,660 know sort of comes in your bed you and 1450 00:58:34,710 --> 00:58:33,130 in straddles you in the middle of the 1451 00:58:36,989 --> 00:58:34,720 night which probably would be will be 1452 00:58:40,049 --> 00:58:36,999 pretty for tightening yes one that I had 1453 00:58:42,989 --> 00:58:40,059 it was with like a like an with a 1454 00:58:45,509 --> 00:58:42,999 bipedal figure like a man-like figure in 1455 00:58:48,109 --> 00:58:45,519 a cloak and a cowl but with a wolf's 1456 00:58:50,460 --> 00:58:48,119 like face so almost like a definitive 1457 00:58:52,499 --> 00:58:50,470 werewolf it was amazing his growling 1458 00:58:54,509 --> 00:58:52,509 noise but he didn't sound like a random 1459 00:58:56,460 --> 00:58:54,519 growl although I couldn't obviously 1460 00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:56,470 understand what it was for some days I 1461 00:59:00,239 --> 00:58:58,480 knew it was like a like an animalistic 1462 00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:00,249 language is the best way I can describe 1463 00:59:05,190 --> 00:59:02,799 it rather this random growling like your 1464 00:59:06,599 --> 00:59:05,200 dad might there you know and I could 1465 00:59:08,339 --> 00:59:06,609 send it to the coming down the corridor 1466 00:59:11,009 --> 00:59:08,349 towards the bedroom I was living like a 1467 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:11,019 duplex at the time so all the rooms were 1468 00:59:14,009 --> 00:59:12,970 on one side of the corridor you know 1469 00:59:17,249 --> 00:59:14,019 they'll run down the length of the 1470 00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:17,259 corridor and I've sort of this graphic 1471 00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:19,690 image of this thing coming towards the 1472 00:59:25,140 --> 00:59:22,450 room and making rapid growling noise and 1473 00:59:27,269 --> 00:59:25,150 I can make sort of a supreme effort to 1474 00:59:28,500 --> 00:59:27,279 to wake up and as I did you know that 1475 00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:28,510 sort of vague 1476 00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:31,290 imagery of it's sort of retreating and 1477 00:59:36,810 --> 00:59:34,090 charging out the room and just sort of 1478 00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:36,820 dissipated if you like so the hands are 1479 00:59:41,220 --> 00:59:39,490 pretty pretty weird and tall nothing 1480 00:59:43,530 --> 00:59:41,230 experienced I've been afterwards I needs 1481 00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:43,540 a lot of cleansing stuff in the house 1482 00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:45,760 would be what sage and something 1483 00:59:51,210 --> 00:59:48,250 happened once after yeah so like a 1484 00:59:53,010 --> 00:59:51,220 shadowy thing looming over me in bed 1485 00:59:55,500 --> 00:59:53,020 again and I did these cleansing stuff 1486 00:59:58,530 --> 00:59:55,510 again and eventually you know it was 1487 01:00:00,420 --> 00:59:58,540 like the darkness was lifted so to speak 1488 01:00:02,340 --> 01:00:00,430 you know a lot of Sun coming up god man 1489 01:00:04,530 --> 01:00:02,350 it's kind of like you met a modern 1490 01:00:05,670 --> 01:00:04,540 Anubis or something that's that is wild 1491 01:00:07,620 --> 01:00:05,680 yeah that's actually a good way to 1492 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:07,630 describe it actually I kind of know what 1493 01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:09,370 I didn't say though was sort of you know 1494 01:00:13,950 --> 01:00:11,170 the nervous Scotty's here J is it would 1495 01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:13,960 be the cowl the hood look like you'd see 1496 01:00:18,210 --> 01:00:16,450 on a normal person you know not no point 1497 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:18,220 sticking through that's actually a good 1498 01:00:21,180 --> 01:00:19,930 point but I never gave that a call 1499 01:00:23,310 --> 01:00:21,190 before that there wasn't sort of a 1500 01:00:26,370 --> 01:00:23,320 series he was just like the long snout 1501 01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:26,380 and the growling that sort of created 1502 01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:28,450 that sort of werewolf type imagery if 1503 01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:32,170 you like man that is a wild one but it 1504 01:00:36,870 --> 01:00:34,330 is there anyone like I love the stories 1505 01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:36,880 of Crowley but is there anyone in more 1506 01:00:42,300 --> 01:00:40,050 modern times that you would consider 1507 01:00:47,100 --> 01:00:42,310 kind of the head of this field a 1508 01:00:49,410 --> 01:00:47,110 modern-day Crowley well not so much in 1509 01:00:54,260 --> 01:00:49,420 terms of what he did but in terms of 1510 01:00:56,580 --> 01:00:54,270 realizing the altered states can invoke 1511 01:00:58,830 --> 01:00:56,590 interaction with other entities I mean 1512 01:01:02,670 --> 01:00:58,840 dr. Rick Strassman book the spirit 1513 01:01:05,460 --> 01:01:02,680 molecule is talking about how DMT can 1514 01:01:07,530 --> 01:01:05,470 you know open doors to what don't you 1515 01:01:10,140 --> 01:01:07,540 see my hallucinations that sound very 1516 01:01:12,300 --> 01:01:10,150 much like advanced entities from 1517 01:01:14,940 --> 01:01:12,310 somewhere else there again you know we 1518 01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:14,950 can alter states of mind allow us access 1519 01:01:20,130 --> 01:01:17,920 to their realms the DMT study that 1520 01:01:22,020 --> 01:01:20,140 Strassmann did and riles up in his book 1521 01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:22,030 the spirit molecule that's a very good 1522 01:01:26,700 --> 01:01:24,610 study of how you know rituals and 1523 01:01:30,900 --> 01:01:26,710 altered states can alter people's minds 1524 01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:30,910 also I mean there's a number of other 1525 01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:33,850 people's whose whose work you know I am 1526 01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:36,130 I didn't go rightly he's written a 1527 01:01:41,260 --> 01:01:38,290 number of books yeah delve into this as 1528 01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:41,270 well he was my guest three days ago 1529 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:43,970 no cool well Adams a good guys a good 1530 01:01:49,450 --> 01:01:46,570 friend of mine and he's written about 1531 01:01:51,820 --> 01:01:49,460 you know things like how altered states 1532 01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:51,830 and doorways being open by people like 1533 01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:54,410 Parsons and Crowley you know and letting 1534 01:01:59,320 --> 01:01:57,890 these things flow into our realm so you 1535 01:02:02,500 --> 01:01:59,330 know I think I think people like that 1536 01:02:04,540 --> 01:02:02,510 and recognize that that there's more to 1537 01:02:08,170 --> 01:02:04,550 this world than we see and that 1538 01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:08,180 sometimes in simple terms getting out of 1539 01:02:15,100 --> 01:02:11,410 it you know actually allows you into it 1540 01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:15,110 yeah and we getting back to the world's 1541 01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:16,970 weirdest places what is your favorite 1542 01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:18,290 story from the book that we might not 1543 01:02:27,130 --> 01:02:25,760 have touched on it is jam-packed full of 1544 01:02:28,810 --> 01:02:27,140 stories like that's what I love about 1545 01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:28,820 you have really all your books is you 1546 01:02:31,990 --> 01:02:29,920 just keep going 1547 01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:32,000 well actually I think probably the 1548 01:02:37,650 --> 01:02:34,730 stories from Halifax Nova Scotia which 1549 01:02:41,130 --> 01:02:37,660 is so varied I'm in this little town in 1550 01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:41,140 Nova Scotia where they're being 1551 01:02:46,420 --> 01:02:44,410 sightings of sea serpents of the coast 1552 01:02:49,359 --> 01:02:46,430 massive amounts of ghostly activity 1553 01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:49,369 through this very day particularly in a 1554 01:02:53,230 --> 01:02:51,680 local restaurant in town called the five 1555 01:02:56,050 --> 01:02:53,240 fishermen which used to be a more 1556 01:02:57,910 --> 01:02:56,060 mortuary and we're loved the bodies from 1557 01:03:00,910 --> 01:02:57,920 the Titanic were taken after that 1558 01:03:04,150 --> 01:03:00,920 something 1912 and even a massive amount 1559 01:03:06,820 --> 01:03:04,160 of UFO activity over the town so I think 1560 01:03:09,070 --> 01:03:06,830 for me Halifax is probably the favorite 1561 01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:09,080 because the mysteries are so drastically 1562 01:03:13,450 --> 01:03:11,210 different between each other you know 1563 01:03:15,390 --> 01:03:13,460 you got the Titanic's ghosts and then 1564 01:03:18,490 --> 01:03:15,400 you get these monstrous sea serpents 1565 01:03:20,710 --> 01:03:18,500 servicing in the waves and then reported 1566 01:03:23,710 --> 01:03:20,720 alien activity right over the town 1567 01:03:26,770 --> 01:03:23,720 itself yeah varieties of space of life's 1568 01:03:28,450 --> 01:03:26,780 what they say you know exactly um are 1569 01:03:30,099 --> 01:03:28,460 there any places you looked into that 1570 01:03:34,570 --> 01:03:30,109 didn't make the cut like what would be 1571 01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:34,580 your 26th location yeah um well there 1572 01:03:39,220 --> 01:03:36,890 was some but you know I could have 1573 01:03:40,420 --> 01:03:39,230 included but the reason I didn't I which 1574 01:03:41,980 --> 01:03:40,430 are well number these are Giddens 1575 01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:41,990 because I couldn't had anything new and 1576 01:03:45,010 --> 01:03:43,609 for example II the most famous one would 1577 01:03:47,590 --> 01:03:45,020 have been Point Pleasant where the 1578 01:03:49,810 --> 01:03:47,600 masked man appeared in the TVs and you 1579 01:03:50,410 --> 01:03:49,820 know John keel rattle but is in Mothman 1580 01:03:53,590 --> 01:03:50,420 Prophecies 1581 01:03:54,970 --> 01:03:53,600 any Chronicle the Mothman reports UFO 1582 01:03:58,120 --> 01:03:54,980 activity 1583 01:03:59,800 --> 01:03:58,130 two guys contact cases many black 1584 01:04:02,380 --> 01:03:59,810 reports and of course the collapse of 1585 01:04:04,660 --> 01:04:02,390 the Silver Bridge in town which spanned 1586 01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:04,670 the Ohio River and killed all these 1587 01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:06,290 people in they drowned you know the cars 1588 01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:09,530 fell into the river and beyond that's a 1589 01:04:13,660 --> 01:04:11,810 typical and a perfect example but I 1590 01:04:15,250 --> 01:04:13,670 didn't include it because I literally 1591 01:04:18,810 --> 01:04:15,260 could not add anything no to the story 1592 01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:18,820 and so like we'd be living in a triangle 1593 01:04:24,250 --> 01:04:21,890 and Loch Ness you know I included those 1594 01:04:26,230 --> 01:04:24,260 they're very well known but most people 1595 01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:26,240 didn't know about the crowley angle or 1596 01:04:29,980 --> 01:04:27,770 the big black cat or the man in black 1597 01:04:32,740 --> 01:04:29,990 angle to Loch Ness now included a lot of 1598 01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:32,750 new cases with the Bermuda Triangle so 1599 01:04:38,050 --> 01:04:34,640 in other words if I could add something 1600 01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:38,060 new I would include it but there were a 1601 01:04:43,300 --> 01:04:40,640 lot of cases that I could have used as I 1602 01:04:45,430 --> 01:04:43,310 said like Point Pleasant and like the 1603 01:04:48,820 --> 01:04:45,440 skinwalker ranch you know this famous 1604 01:04:50,620 --> 01:04:48,830 ranch that it's kind of not unlike Point 1605 01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:50,630 Pleasant but again it's like you have 1606 01:04:54,430 --> 01:04:52,880 nothing new to say and you know you're 1607 01:04:56,530 --> 01:04:54,440 expecting people to buy your books 1608 01:04:59,710 --> 01:04:56,540 you've got to get something there is no 1609 01:05:00,970 --> 01:04:59,720 we're just going over no grounds I'm so 1610 01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:00,980 glad you did that because it does make 1611 01:05:04,300 --> 01:05:02,930 the book a much more fascinating read 1612 01:05:06,490 --> 01:05:04,310 than just flipping the page like Oh 1613 01:05:08,530 --> 01:05:06,500 Egypt okay let's read the bullet points 1614 01:05:10,599 --> 01:05:08,540 yeah you've done before you know so 1615 01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:10,609 that's it is an awesome book definitely 1616 01:05:17,290 --> 01:05:16,490 belongs on anybody's coffee table yeah 1617 01:05:19,270 --> 01:05:17,300 no problem 1618 01:05:20,500 --> 01:05:19,280 but uh that pretty much doesn't you know 1619 01:05:22,570 --> 01:05:20,510 that brings us at the top of the hour 1620 01:05:23,980 --> 01:05:22,580 Nick you're a real savage probably one 1621 01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:23,990 of the hardest working journalists and 1622 01:05:29,530 --> 01:05:27,200 the parent home will round um I guess 1623 01:05:30,940 --> 01:05:29,540 it's one of these things where luckily 1624 01:05:32,710 --> 01:05:30,950 you know there's plenty to research and 1625 01:05:35,650 --> 01:05:32,720 write about you know you never should we 1626 01:05:37,630 --> 01:05:35,660 never suck for things true and I mean I 1627 01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:37,640 know this book just dropped like two 1628 01:05:41,140 --> 01:05:39,530 months ago but are you taking a break 1629 01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:41,150 are you working on anything else that's 1630 01:05:46,390 --> 01:05:44,090 next actually yeah no breaks that's 1631 01:05:49,180 --> 01:05:46,400 surely he's called monster diary and 1632 01:05:52,150 --> 01:05:49,190 it's basically most of my sort of 1633 01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:52,160 cryptozoology studies you know I wrote 1634 01:05:56,650 --> 01:05:54,410 them up sort of roadtrip style you know 1635 01:05:58,030 --> 01:05:56,660 hitting the road and going out looking 1636 01:06:00,700 --> 01:05:58,040 for these things I sort of Chronicle it 1637 01:06:02,740 --> 01:06:00,710 as I did it and anomalous book 1638 01:06:05,980 --> 01:06:02,750 supporting out a book from me before the 1639 01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:05,990 end of the year called monster diary and 1640 01:06:08,890 --> 01:06:08,210 it's basically like a rogue sugar the 1641 01:06:11,170 --> 01:06:08,900 last three 1642 01:06:14,110 --> 01:06:11,180 years of investigation got done looking 1643 01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:14,120 for werewolves Bigfoot Lake Monsters big 1644 01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:16,130 cats and you know just about anything 1645 01:06:18,850 --> 01:06:16,970 and everything 1646 01:06:22,060 --> 01:06:18,860 monstrous I don't actually have that the 1647 01:06:23,290 --> 01:06:22,070 literal exact release date yet but it 1648 01:06:25,090 --> 01:06:23,300 probably will be in the next couple of 1649 01:06:27,730 --> 01:06:25,100 weeks I think something like that nice 1650 01:06:29,020 --> 01:06:27,740 very cool was there anything else you'd 1651 01:06:30,940 --> 01:06:29,030 like to leave the people with I mean I 1652 01:06:32,770 --> 01:06:30,950 know your website actually Nick Redfern 1653 01:06:34,180 --> 01:06:32,780 calm that is a website but it doesn't 1654 01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:34,190 seem to get updated all that much is 1655 01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:34,850 there somewhere 1656 01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:37,760 no like yeah actually people are looking 1657 01:06:40,810 --> 01:06:38,450 at me like that 1658 01:06:43,990 --> 01:06:40,820 although T my name is not my society was 1659 01:06:46,660 --> 01:06:44,000 put together years ago by a fan oh they 1660 01:06:49,210 --> 01:06:46,670 sense yeah they did it and then they 1661 01:06:51,070 --> 01:06:49,220 vanished so unfortunately I have no way 1662 01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:51,080 to get into that they didn't even have 1663 01:06:55,420 --> 01:06:52,610 the common courtesy to drop you the 1664 01:06:57,190 --> 01:06:55,430 domain name no I don't know about it I 1665 01:06:59,890 --> 01:06:57,200 don't know the password or anything 1666 01:07:03,040 --> 01:06:59,900 because I don't own you know I had no 1667 01:07:04,900 --> 01:07:03,050 legal way to get into it so but I 1668 01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:04,910 actually but people think that is mine 1669 01:07:08,740 --> 01:07:06,530 that always like why don't you get you 1670 01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:08,750 here websites that was not my website 1671 01:07:12,550 --> 01:07:11,330 but I I'm glad somebody did it but it's 1672 01:07:14,740 --> 01:07:12,560 just a shame you know it didn't go in 1673 01:07:18,340 --> 01:07:14,750 further it's I have a blog which I 1674 01:07:22,390 --> 01:07:18,350 update pretty much daily which is me 1675 01:07:24,820 --> 01:07:22,400 Craig four and forty and fo RT EAN dot 1676 01:07:26,590 --> 01:07:24,830 blog spot.com as I said I update that 1677 01:07:29,860 --> 01:07:26,600 pretty much daily with everything from 1678 01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:29,870 UFOs Bigfoot conspiracies what shows I'm 1679 01:07:35,110 --> 01:07:31,930 doing you know TV stuff or whatever 1680 01:07:37,900 --> 01:07:35,120 people also get me on Facebook and 1681 01:07:39,570 --> 01:07:37,910 Twitter as well very cool well thanks 1682 01:07:41,830 --> 01:07:39,580 again next for coming back great talk 1683 01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:41,840 I'll call you about that Death Valley 1684 01:07:48,130 --> 01:07:45,530 expedition all right cool all right man 1685 01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:48,140 hey thanks a lot good luck and exploring 1686 01:07:52,660 --> 01:07:49,330 the infinite abyss 1687 01:07:55,270 --> 01:07:52,670 alright thanks Greg have a good one you 1688 01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:55,280 could come on Wow 1689 01:08:00,070 --> 01:07:57,770 there it is people Nick Redfern the pimp 1690 01:08:02,020 --> 01:08:00,080 of pimps I got to say thanks to everyone 1691 01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:02,030 you listen and share the show through 1692 01:08:04,270 --> 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1707 01:08:34,150 --> 01:08:32,150 job shirt all of the highest quality 1708 01:08:35,550 --> 01:08:34,160 because I don't [\h__\h] around what you're 1709 01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:35,560 hearing now is a little song called 1710 01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:38,930 lucky dice by a band called dreamers Sal 1711 01:08:42,849 --> 01:08:40,850 from the band sent me the song got a 1712 01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:42,859 couple conspiracies we talked about the 1713 01:08:48,309 --> 01:08:45,890 pyramids bada boom bada bing check out 1714 01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:48,319 their music and I'll see you next week 1715 01:08:53,460 --> 01:08:50,930 with something that might be the coolest 1716 01:09:35,200 --> 01:08:53,470 [\h__\h] thing ever but we got to see if 1717 01:09:35,210 --> 01:09:48,110 the 1718 01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:59,979 a flying 1719 01:09:59,989 --> 01:10:19,580 we used to